uphoria umc404hd. Need Help!

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06-01-2018, 05:51 AM
G Tech

Ddm4000 / 2 x1 mk2 traktors / uphoria umc404hd. Need Help!

I need assistance in setting up my new setup. Struggling for days with no success.

So let's begin. I have behringer ddm4000 mixer, 2 x1 mk2 traktor controllers, uphoria umc404hd sound card (supports 4 channels) machine mk2, Alessio elevate mk5 monitors, and traktor pro 2 software.
I have been using traktor and 2 channels for years with no problems. Time to try 4, or at least 3 channels which i desperately need.

And if there is anyone who could help me with this it will have my eternal gratitude.
I managed to assign one x1 to deck A and B and second x1 to deck C and D. So that's good to go.

1. What bothers me is that i would like to put machine on deck D for example and use other 3 decks for tracks. To perform a sounds from machine to be exact. I found how to sync machine with traktor and that's not problem i guess.

2. Should i use ddm4000 as a midi to control traktor software or just as analog mixer.

3. Is there a possibility to use machine and ddm4000 in the same tame with traktor alongside with h 2 x1 traktors

4. I have midi cable, 4 rca cables, 2 xlr cables and that's it. Wiring is making me struggle couse i have no idea how to wire all those in order to have everything work as in tented. When i plug monitors in sound card i have sound on monitors no problem. But i want to use ddm4000 outs and plug them to monitors.

5.Since i want 4 channels to operate on ddm ( deck A, B, C for tracks and Machine on Deck D) do i need more cables? Uphoria umc404hd is an excellent sound card with midas amplifiers but on the back side it has 2 x 2 rca outs and 2 x 2 6.35mm outs. It also have 2 xlr outs.

I tried almost everything to properly wire all those but with no luck. If there is anyone who could help me with this I'm willing to pay for it. Need help badly.

P. S
I em familiar with setting up machine with traktor, I also found an explanation how to setup ddm4000 with traktor 2 as a midi controler. But as u can see wiring all those is a true pain. Any help is greatly appreciated. If anyone needs pictures of backsides of ddm4000 and umc404hd sound card don't hesitate to ask.
Thanks in front.
06-01-2018, 07:10 AM
astromech

First of all, the audio interface isn't "four channel" in a DJ sense, it seems to be in a production sense, ie it has four mono outputs, or two stereo outs.

1. You'll need to sort that out in the Maschine audio settings.
2. I'd go analogue.
3. yes, as long as you've got the outputs on your audio interface.
4. You don't need the MIDI cable as the software can communicate internally
5. You won't be able to output four stereo channels with this audio interface.
06-01-2018, 07:14 AM
Patch

Use the DDM4k as an audio mixer ONLY.

Connect the MASTER OUT of the DDM4k to the monitors. If you need new cables to do that, you’ll have to buy new cables. Get used to that - you’re a DJ! Buy ‘em on eBay for next to nothing.

It sounds like your audio interface only support 2 channels, since you say you’ve only got 2 pairs of RCA outs. That’s a bummer. Is your Maschine a version that has its own outputs? Because if it is you can route audio from machine to one of your free channels on the DDM4k for a 3rd “Deck”.
06-01-2018, 08:29 AM
G Tech

Bummer

Quote:

Originally Posted by happydan

First of all, the audio interface isn't "four channel" in a DJ sense, it seems to be in a production sense, ie it has four mono outputs, or two stereo outs.

1. You'll need to sort that out in the Maschine audio settings.
2. I'd go analogue.
3. yes, as long as you've got the outputs on your audio interface.
4. You don't need the MIDI cable as the software can communicate internally
5. You won't be able to output four stereo channels with this audio interface.

So what my audio interface is missing is 2 more rca stereo outputs? I really trusted in that sound card hoping i will get at least 3 channels but it seams i cant. What a shame. Thx for clarification man I really appreciate it. And just to clarify this u a can't get a working channel on a mixer except via rca stereo outs?
06-01-2018, 08:41 AM
G Tech

Sadface

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patch

Use the DDM4k as an audio mixer ONLY.

Connect the MASTER OUT of the DDM4k to the monitors. If you need new cables to do that, you’ll have to buy new cables. Get used to that - you’re a DJ! Buy ‘em on eBay for next to nothing.

It sounds like your audio interface only support 2 channels, since you say you’ve only got 2 pairs of RCA outs. That’s a bummer. Is your Maschine a version that has its own outputs? Because if it is you can route audio from machine to one of your free channels on the DDM4k for a 3rd “Deck”.

Thx man i did like u suggested and yes i have 2 channels working properly. I'm happy because i at least did something. But I'm really sad that i need new sound card. As u said it's a bummer. I didn't had enough money for audio 10 and i hoped i can somehow get at least 3 channels on this card but i was apparently wrong. My machine doesn't have outputs except midi.
06-01-2018, 08:44 AM
Patch

Any line level out from a sound card would do it, provided your cables have rca connectors at the mixer end.

BUT what you’ve got on your soundcard are multiple connections for each “out”. You’ve got 4 rca outs (2 stereo rca outs), and 4 1/4” outs (still 2 stereo outs). BUT - the rca and 1/4” outs are duplicated, not separate.

4 mono outputs (1 + 2 = 1 STEREO OUT, & 3 + 4 = 1 STEREO OUT) = 2 STEREO OUTPUTS.
06-01-2018, 08:57 AM
Patch

Quote:

I hoped i can somehow get at least 3 channels on this card but i was apparently wrong.

There *might* be a work around using Traktors routing preferences and some rca splitter cables (told you you’d better get used to buying cables!)

You’ll need some of these (get 4):

https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/PRO-25cm-RC...AAAOSw9NdXrsNZ

What these will do, is convert each of your 4 STEREO OUTS into 2 MONO OUTS (twin mono).

You’ll then have 4 twin mono outs (total 8 rca connectors), and can assign each one to a Deck in Traktor. So Deck A in Traktor will have output 1 assigned to both left and right in prefs, Deck 2 will have output 2 assigned to both left and right, Deck c will have output 3 assigned to left and right, and Deck d will have output 4 assigned to both left and right.

Each splitter will be connected to a single output on the audio interface, then connected to your existing rca’s, then connected to a channel on your mixer.

You *might* even be able to route machine through Deck d like this and have it on a channel on the DDM4K. (I used to have a DDM4k - fucking amazing mixer! You’re gonna have a lot of fun).
06-01-2018, 09:04 AM
astromech

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patch

There *might* be a work around using Traktors routing preferences and some rca splitter cables (told you you’d better get used to buying cables!)

You’ll need some of these (get 4):

https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/PRO-25cm-RC...AAAOSw9NdXrsNZ

What these will do, is convert each of your 4 STEREO OUTS into 2 MONO OUTS (twin mono).

You’ll then have 4 twin mono outs (total 8 rca connectors), and can assign each one to a Deck in Traktor. So Deck A in Traktor will have output 1 assigned to both left and right in prefs, Deck 2 will have output 2 assigned to both left and right, Deck c will have output 3 assigned to left and right, and Deck d will have output 4 assigned to both left and right.

Each splitter will be connected to a single output on the audio interface, then connected to your existing rca’s, then connected to a channel on your mixer.

You *might* even be able to route machine through Deck d like this and have it on a channel on the DDM4K. (I used to have a DDM4k - fucking amazing mixer! You’re gonna have a lot of fun).

Please, let's stop suggesting mono splitters. It's bad practice.

You might be able to get three stereo outputs, as there's also a MAIN OUT, but that really depends on the hardware and drivers.
06-01-2018, 09:36 AM
G Tech

Hm

Quote:

Originally Posted by happydan

Please, let's stop suggesting mono splitters. It's bad practice.

You might be able to get three stereo outputs, as there's also a MAIN OUT, but that really depends on the hardware and drivers.

Mono splitting is kind a complicated but it seems to be a solution. How do u mean is a bad practice. I will loose some sound quality? And on what hardware and drivers u meant when u mentioned third stereo output? Thx guys anyways u helped a lot. At least i can start from something.
06-01-2018, 10:15 AM
Patch

Bad practice is not a reason to not do something? If it’s not gonna damage your equipment and you have no other option why wouldn’t you?