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    Quote Originally Posted by kbridge View Post
    Well guys, I will be purchasing either KRK Rokkit 5s or M-Audio BX8s for my DJ setup, so will have a secondary form of reference after/during mixing with cans, but will not focus entirely on either, rather finding a balance (then obviously testing on every other sound source possible).

    You're saying the AKG K701s are more detailed accross the board? I'm torn between those and the ATH M50s, I guess either will serve their purpose well, I'd just have to get used to them
    The m50s will be definitely more prominent in the bass department.

    HOWEVER

    The 701s are a whole other class of headphones, that will blow the m50s out of the water in almost all aspects (of course, except bass quantity)
    Worry not tho, bass extension is phenomenal on the 701/2, as is its punchiness.
    Just remember you won't be able to use them for djing, since their open back basically lets in all the sound around you.

    Oh yeah, did i mention that they're by far the comfiest cans you can buy for less than $1k?

    p.s.: what's your source of sound? what interface will you be using? Because plugging in the 701s into your integrated soundcard will not be an option, their impedence will make them quiet as hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polygon View Post
    The 701s are a whole other class of headphones, that will blow the m50s out of the water in almost all aspects (of course, except bass quantity)
    Worry not tho, bass extension is phenomenal on the 701/2, as is its punchiness.
    Just remember you won't be able to use them for djing, since their open back basically lets in all the sound around you.

    Oh yeah, did i mention that they're by far the comfiest cans you can buy for less than $1k?

    p.s.: what's your source of sound? what interface will you be using? Because plugging in the 701s into your integrated soundcard will not be an option, their impedence will make them quiet as hell.
    My source of sound would be my laptop's in-built Soundcard.. I wouldn't use these for DJing in a million years, I'll have my Sennheiser HD 25 ii for that ha.

    Can you recommend any inexpensive amps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbridge View Post
    My source of sound would be my laptop's in-built Soundcard.. I wouldn't use these for DJing in a million years, I'll have my Sennheiser HD 25 ii for that ha.

    Can you recommend any inexpensive amps?
    Sure, how much are you willing to spend?

    Also, do you plan on using different inputs/outputs? In that case an external audio interface could come in handy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polygon View Post
    Sure, how much are you willing to spend?

    Also, do you plan on using different inputs/outputs? In that case an external audio interface could come in handy
    I literally just need them for sitting in my "studio" (bedroom..) in front of my laptop and Ableton Suite haha! So I won't be using these with ipod or phone etc!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbridge View Post
    I literally just need them for sitting in my "studio" (bedroom..) in front of my laptop and Ableton Suite haha! So I won't be using these with ipod or phone etc!
    Ok, so around what price are you willing to spend for the amp? Amplification can bring out qualities of cans or can also dull them down. for the 701s you would be looking at something that gives a little more warmth since the cans are so analytical themselves
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polygon View Post
    Ok, so around what price are you willing to spend for the amp? Amplification can bring out qualities of cans or can also dull them down. for the 701s you would be looking at something that gives a little more warmth since the cans are so analytical themselves
    If you're referring to these:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/AKG-701-Head...ywords=akg+701

    I guess around £30 would be max, is that reasonable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbridge View Post
    If you're referring to these:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/AKG-701-Head...ywords=akg+701

    I guess around £30 would be max, is that reasonable?
    http://www.thomann.de/gb/akg_k701.htm

    Get them here, they even have a refurb, "b-stock" option that is around 150gbp. That would leave you with a little more headroom for the amp.

    Then i'd get a reasonably cheap audio interface, such as this, instead of an amp. Mainly because you will be producing so a dedicated soundcard with asio drivers will lead to lower latency

    something like this
    http://www.thomann.de/gb/m_audio_m_track.htm

    or this (cheaper)

    http://www.thomann.de/gb/lexicon_alpha_studio.htm

    or this

    http://www.thomann.de/gb/miditech_audiolink_iii.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polygon View Post
    http://www.thomann.de/gb/akg_k701.htm

    Get them here, they even have a refurb, "b-stock" option that is around 150gbp. That would leave you with a little more headroom for the amp.

    Then i'd get a reasonably cheap audio interface, such as this, instead of an amp. Mainly because you will be producing so a dedicated soundcard with asio drivers will lead to lower latency

    something like this
    http://www.thomann.de/gb/m_audio_m_track.htm

    or this (cheaper)

    http://www.thomann.de/gb/lexicon_alpha_studio.htm

    or this

    http://www.thomann.de/gb/miditech_audiolink_iii.htm
    Okay, so that's an awesome price on the headphones, thanks..

    I'm just a little confused as to what the difference between an amp and one of these audio interfaces is? I have Asio driver on my laptop if that counts for anything (nooby Q I know..)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polygon View Post
    http://www.thomann.de/gb/akg_k701.htm

    Get them here, they even have a refurb, "b-stock" option that is around 150gbp. That would leave you with a little more headroom for the amp.

    Then i'd get a reasonably cheap audio interface, such as this, instead of an amp. Mainly because you will be producing so a dedicated soundcard with asio drivers will lead to lower latency

    something like this
    http://www.thomann.de/gb/m_audio_m_track.htm

    or this (cheaper)

    http://www.thomann.de/gb/lexicon_alpha_studio.htm

    or this

    http://www.thomann.de/gb/miditech_audiolink_iii.htm
    Okay, so that's an awesome price on the headphones, thanks..

    I'm just a little confused as to what the difference between an amp and one of these audio interfaces is? I have Asio driver on my laptop if that counts for anything (nooby Q I know..)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbridge View Post
    Okay, so that's an awesome price on the headphones, thanks..

    I'm just a little confused as to what the difference between an amp and one of these audio interfaces is? I have Asio driver on my laptop if that counts for anything (nooby Q I know..)
    No probs, maybe it will take a while because they ship from germany, but it'll be not that big of a wait.

    Now, these interfaces basically have amps inside them. They also have inputs and other outputs, so you can connect more professional cable connectors on them, TRS and XLR. The thing is, usually these devices have drivers that have been specifically written for the chipset/DAC inside the interface. Doing so guarantees lower latency and less crashes because the driver doesn't have to scale and remodel itself in real time to the chipset on your integrated soundcard.
    You're probably using ASIO4ALL, which does a mighty good job at coping with various different chipset by many manufacturers (realtek, via, etc etc), and can usually keep the latency at a very low level.

    Now i personally care about low latency, since i'm also a pianist and i practice on my midi keyboard, and i hate when there's delay between when i press a key and the sound actually comes out of the speakers, but i know of many producers that don't care about latency at all, since they don't play live.

    A dedicated soundcard will usually also improve your sound quality and signal-to-noise ratio when compared to an integrated solution

    The thing is, a good amp and a good sound card in this price bracket (in this case, for example, the m-track by maudio and the fiio e12) have comparable DACs and sound quality, and comparable power outputs when it comes to headphone outs. So choosing between one and another is dictated mainly by the use you're going to make of it.

    Since you're producing you might consider that, in a year or so, you could need to record some live voice, or samples, or an instrument, so i'd personally go the interface route.
    However, if you don't feel that way yourself, take a look around ebay with the search term "headphone amp", you'll find tons of chinese-made great little amps
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