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    Whats the deal with beat grids on live and old disco music that naturally drifts in tempo thoughout the track. Trying to put a beat grid on this type of track is a nightmare. Any help would be most appeciated.

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    Live tracks are recorded with a live drummer. It is practically impossible for a live drummer to not drift the tempo as he's playing by a number of milliseconds, causing a drift when looking at a beat grid.

    The only way to fix this is with Ableton Lives Warp function, or to manually adjust the grid as you place. It is a fact of live musicianship, and is what gives music a human feeling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DvlsAdvct View Post
    It is a fact of live musicianship, and is what gives music a human feeling.
    fuzzy logic
    Quote Originally Posted by dripstep View Post
    Kaon, none of that has to do with drum and bass.

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    Its also possible to set multiple grids on tracks. You often find the intro to a track is pretty spot on and the track drifts after that . In my experience its because drummers get a little excited in the chorus and speed up a bit.
    But in all seriousness try setting a grid point for the intro to bring the track into a mix and set another grid point for the outro . It works .


    @Kaon, i once mentioned Fuzzy Logic in one of my philosophy lectures (when i was a student) and was told that it was b*ll*cks and it was just a case of having more parameters . I was dissapointed and a little embarrassed !!! Bastard lecturer !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaon View Post
    fuzzy logic
    What's fuzzy about it? A wonderfully programmed drum machine, in my opinion, will never compare in feeling to a live drummer playing a part. *shrug*
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    Quote Originally Posted by DvlsAdvct View Post
    What's fuzzy about it? A wonderfully programmed drum machine, in my opinion, will never compare in feeling to a live drummer playing a part. *shrug*
    of course it will never compare. because you can feel a live drummer, and you can feel it because hes using fuzzy logic to drum, and youre using fuzzy logic to listen to his drumming.
    the brain can relate to a live drummer because every strike on the drum he makes is to some degree, fuzzy logic. im no expert, these are my assumptions based on what i know. but i find it highly interesting. feed me info
    Quote Originally Posted by dripstep View Post
    Kaon, none of that has to do with drum and bass.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy_logic

    Interesting stuff. Basically using approximate logic instead of just Yes / No logic.
    Apparently Japanese Traffic Light systems use fuzzy logic..!

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    right, getting out of the discussions of 1-2-3 and AI....

    Devils is right. if you NEED to get the beatgrid exactly on. Use warp in Ableton, it's really the only way you'll get that to work.

    I tend to just "ride the pitch" on those tracks. Less time consuming and works great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RSDJMoniker View Post
    right, getting out of the discussions of 1-2-3 and AI....
    woah yeah sorry... way off track
    Quote Originally Posted by dripstep View Post
    Kaon, none of that has to do with drum and bass.

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    Yeah my suggestion for Multiple Grids is if you want to keep that 'live' feel and dont want to Warp the track.

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