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@zhao, htfr does ship to the US IIRC, and they are legit. That price might be too good, though. I'd be careful it wasn't a b-stock or referb, because google shopping shows them at $700-900 still.
@JasonPaul, Live became a hassle for a number of reasons. Don't believe any of the "live is limiting" BS that people try to say…it's garbage. There's a lot you can do. But, it's true that it does take a bit more prep work. If you're really taking advantage of Live, it takes a lot of prep work.
The first big fault was that I got into midi remote scripting. I got my VCM to do some pretty cool things using a python script, but it was turning into a coding project…which is not what I wanted out of music. It was a lot of fun, but getting it to work felt like actual work instead of playing with toys. I wound up in a situation where half the VCM wasn't mapped and everything else was mapped with a python script…so to change the mapping or add something, I didn't just hit command-m, click a control and turn a knob…I had to actually edit code. It's way more powerful to do it that way, but I don't think it was worth it. Plus, I don't really use effects that much and found myself making the VCM able to do things just because I figured I could and not because I wanted to.
Back in 2007, I did a set that was literally nothing but firing and stopping clips. It's on my mixcloud if you want to hear it. It was fun, and I think it turned out really well. But it seemed a huge waste to use a $400 piece of software and a $1000 controller as play buttons. Plus, it's faster to prep tracks in Traktor because of auto gain that actually works.
I switched to Traktor and am working on incorporating Maschine because I think it's faster to do some things than Live is. It would be simpler to switch back to doing the DJing with Live and still using Maschine the same way because i wouldn't have to worry about midi sync or routing…I could just run it as a plugin. I've seriously considered it before and would probably do a set with it before I sold the VCM just to make sure it wasn't worth it in the long run. But I might use an X1 to control Live instead of the VCM if I did it that way.
Mostly…I think it's too much to carry around if there's any chance I'll be playing in a cramped booth. And, I really like X1s.
Traktor is hands-down not as powerful as Live. But I just wasn't using much of what Live added and Traktor was simpler…so I switched. I also found myself having to look at the laptop more than I'd like. The one downside of having the VCM is that it doesn't make any sense to have an external mixer…and I like being able to see level meters when I spin. I can say that for the VCM: it feels good enough that the only thing I missed from having a real mixer was the level meters. And, I never found a good way to map them onto the VCM. I also never really figured out how to use 6 channels except to organize tracks. 2 is limiting…3 is ideal…I could see using 4 if you're using samples and a drum machine. But I could never figure out how/why to use 6 unless it was pure Live PA, which I think the APC40 is better for.
I feel like Traktor is more straightforward than Live for the way I spin…but it's a very small thing that makes it win: skipping through a track. It's just faster to hold shift and turn the browse knob on my x1s than anything I figured out how to do with the VCM. If it had a few more encoders instead of knobs or faders in the master and effects sections…I probably never would have switched. Apart from not being a complete functional clone of the Maven and being wider than it is tall, that's the VCM's only real failing.
And at this point in my DJing, I just want simple. I really just want a DJR-400, an X1, a Maschine, and a MBP. Live would fit into that better than Traktor and the DJR if they made a rotary 3-channel version of the VCM-600.
I do really miss having a pitch fader, though. It's a PITA to match Traktor to another DJ using an X1.
As a side note, If I had the cash, I'd offer to trade it and money for your Urei in a heartbeat. I don't suppose you'd take it and a painted blue xone:62 that needs a more thorough cleaning than I've gotten around to in trade………
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