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    Default Simple question about keys

    If the song's key is d# minor does this mean it's equal to e flat minor therefore it's 2A at the Camelot Wheel. I'm sorry it's just a yes or no question but couldn't find a proper answer
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    Not really equal, but you could do a good transition from D# minor to E# minor

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    Yes you are correct.

    To make the answer more than yes or no though......
    Most keys can be noted as a sharp or flat. The exceptions are B and E are never sharp, and C and F are never flat. Why? Because B#=C E#=F Cb=B & Fb=E.

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    Quote Originally Posted by losxc451 View Post
    Not really equal, but you could do a good transition from D# minor to E# minor
    Uh, NO. They are the same key so they are equal.
    Last edited by VanGogo; 12-15-2011 at 11:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanGogo View Post
    Uh, NO.
    Isnt D# minor 12A and E# minor 2A? you could make a transition thats two steps and it still be good, obviously wouldnt be as good as one step according to the rules of harmonic mixing though

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    D minor is 12A not d# minor and E# minor is F so therefore it's 4A. Am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanGogo View Post
    Yes you are correct.

    To make the answer more than yes or no though......
    Most keys can be noted as a sharp or flat. The exceptions are B and E are never sharp, and C and F are never flat. Why? Because B#=C E#=F Cb=B & Fb=E.
    This!

    I use the circle of fifths over the camelot wheel because I'm trying to learn the physical keys and not just numbers. I use RE3 to key my songs and write everything as sharps as opposed to flats. I made my own circle of fifths with all sharps...this might be helpful for you:


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    The no was for you sayin they aren't equal. They are exactly the same key (D#m & Ebm).
    There isn't and E# in music it's called F.
    The transition you are talking about on the Camelot system would be 12a Dbm to 2a Ebm, or what you were actually saying was 2a Ebm(D#m) to 4a Fm(not really but E#m). And yes either would be an ok transition as they share most of the same notes in their scales.

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    Thanks for your helps and the wheel

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    Spesh, cudos for trying to learn the actual theory!
    The circle of fifths is just one way of relating two keys though. To me the best way to learn is on a piano keyboard where you can see the the whole steps and half steps from note to note in the scales.
    The fifth is the fifth note of a scale and also the third note in the chord of the root note. Ex: C E G are the notes in a Cmajor chord, G B D for a G major. See the fifths progress C G D.

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