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    Hey guys, I hope anyone can give a clear answer on a question about a matter I'm dealing with. It's quite a story, but it's to give you guys a clear, exact view on what situation I'm dealing with. People not wanting to read it, start at the -->
    So, an explanation of my situation:

    2 years ago I got into DJing, and bought a Numark NS7 as I disliked CDJs and wanted to have the turntable feeling together with the digital possibilities. This seemed to be the perfect option, however I'm not completely happy with it. Why not? Because the easy available option to sync wrecks any challenge for me to even start mixing. Everywhere you look, you see markers and tools to instantly sync tracks, and when that's done, what's left? I got no FX or anything Even at gigs, quite often I'm just bored by having nothing to do anymore (also feeling restricted), let alone that I don't even care to touch my gear at home. I miss the fun of DJing

    I've been looking into many digital setup options to create more features to do next to mixing (read: syncing) such as sampling and live beatmaking, but something tells me that it's the syncing that takes away all the fun, and that I can't simply redeem that fun factor by fooling around with some button bashing. I'm not into production at all either, haven't got the patience for it.

    --> So here comes the interest for a DVS setup. One downside: using software still gives you the possibility to sync tracks, so doesn't necessarily solve my problem of missing the fun of mixing. So, my question is: with a DVS setup, how large is the tendency to sync tracks? Is it easily available, or is it more natural to beatmatch by ear, doing it the oldschool way (and just using the laptop for your music collection)?

    I hope I made my problem understandable for you guys, and that you can help me with this. I want to do more with my love for DJing, but this matter certainly blocks me at the moment!

    Greets, Sublim&All

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    Sync is a possibility, not a requirement, just turn it off. That said DVS on turntables is about as close as you can get to just playing records.
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    Even if the software you use has a sync function, you can always ignore and not use it. I've been using TSP for almost 2 years now and I have never touched that sync button.

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    Sync is a possibility, not a requirement, just turn it off. That said DVS on turntables is about as close as you can get to just playing records.
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    [QUOTE=Nicadraus;407946]Even if the software you use has a sync function, you can always ignore and not use it. I've been using TSP for almost 2 years now and I have never touched that sync button.

    Me either. I love the DVS experience because you can move the physical position of a cue point on a record around with dvs. It is wicked. Load times are unreal. The record never comes off the platter, but the song gets switched INSTANTLY. You have access to effects that you wouldn't otherwise have. You only have to move the needle once every 12 or so minutes. It's awesome!

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    If you're tempted by the sync I don't think it matters if you're on a controller or dvs. You just need to ignore it for a bit and rely on your ears and knowledge of your tracks.

    Saying you're bored though makes me wonder how much attention you're paying to what you're playing. If anything going manual will make you focus more on the tracks you're mixing and once you get good at it, you'll have a better ear for what you can do next (fx, samples, live beat making, etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by J5k View Post
    If you're tempted by the sync I don't think it matters if you're on a controller or dvs. You just need to ignore it for a bit and rely on your ears and knowledge of your tracks.

    Saying you're bored though makes me wonder how much attention you're paying to what you're playing. If anything going manual will make you focus more on the tracks you're mixing and once you get good at it, you'll have a better ear for what you can do next (fx, samples, live beat making, etc).
    I agree with this guy!

    Sync (used or not) is not your problem... if you are bored you're doing it wrong

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    Don't do it if you're planning on selling your NS7, and don't blame me if you can't sell it if you take this as a piece of advice, but…………

    Have you considered physically breaking the sync buttons on the NS7? Or if it's out of warranty, have you considered taking it apart and disconnecting the sync buttons (or having an electronics repair shop do it for you)?

    That also takes away the option without forcing you to buy a bunch of gear.

    Also…Serato and I never got along all that well (I bought and sold it twice), but it doesn't have a sync button…so you could go that route for your DVS if you really want to avoid sync.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J5k View Post
    Saying you're bored though makes me wonder how much attention you're paying to what you're playing. If anything going manual will make you focus more on the tracks you're mixing and once you get good at it, you'll have a better ear for what you can do next (fx, samples, live beat making, etc).
    Interesting statement. Fact is, when DJing, I feel like I'm on too much distance from the music I'm playing. When doing a gig, I'm mostly just loading in a new track, sync it, place a loop, trying to trick around (but nothing much interesting can be done without any filters/FX), and mix the new track in and the old one out. Been there, done that.

    I'm missing the challenge in this workflow. So it's either syncing and creating more options to trick around with FX/sampling/beatmaking/whatever, or going back all the way to the beginning, working harder to mix those two tracks in the first place (by using turntables). As DJing vinyl only is getting quite impossible and already having a good laptop, it would become a DVS.

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    Have you considered physically breaking the sync buttons on the NS7? That also takes away the option without forcing you to buy a bunch of gear.
    Nope, but I will now. Even though it sounds a bit...weird to wreck your own gear on purpose

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    I mean…at my last job, they used PCs (like most businesses). And the keyboard kept screwing with me because of the num lock key, which doesn't exist on my keyboard. I'd be entering data and all of a sudden delete half what I was working on because I'd bumped it.

    So, it wound up in the trash and all was well. That and the caps lock key, because in OS X you can reassign the modifiers and I kept hitting it when I wanted to hit ctrl.

    Think of it as the world's easiest mod.

    Just be careful you don't actually do serious damage to your gear.

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    I was strongly against DVS until I realized YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SYNC. The main reason I ended up going with a DVS is because of the availability of tunes. I scour about 25-30 tracks a week. On vinyl, that would have taken about two months. I never get bored. I am constantly listening to tunes and placing cue points. I have had TSP for 6 months and have never used sync. To keep it interesting, I still buy vinyl and mix it in with my digital tunes. If it is too tempting to use, simply unmap the function or embrace it. The end is result is all that matters.

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