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    first time posting here..

    currently use a numark ns7fx..

    so i am used to ITCH, never used traktor before

    i (impulsively) bought the s4 recently with 15% off

    i see that the xone dx now goes for $469 !?!? it went for 1200 at the time i bought the ns7fx..

    is it a bad idea to swap the s4 for the dx? or is it worth learning how to use the s4?

    considering this because i am more used to itch and itch 2.0 seems pretty solid

    ultimately, i want to do 4 deck mixing (with cdjs and no dvs, which is my next step)

    i play almost exclusively house/electro/trance

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    I personally love my S4 with Traktor. The only two things to complain about are some heavy cpu loads if you work on an average PC system and if the latency settings are not yet set up properly and, the second thing, the Pitchfaders which do not work as smoothly as I would wish. As long as they are not yet beaten-up by long use, they tend to "jump" about 1-2mm in the beginning of every pitch adjustment. But this is nothing one could not get used to is no problem for you if you do all your pitchbending with your CDJs.
    Although I did not use Serato so far, I find the bridge (for Ableton) a very impressive feature and I would love to see something similar in Traktor. But at the moment Traktor-users just can use Sample Decks or sync up with Ableton manually.

    So the result: Traktor is a very cool piece of software, with all the effects, with the sample decks, the loop recorder, up to 8 cue points and a strong user community. For me it was quite easy to change from Virtual DJ to Traktor Pro 2 - everything is quite userfriendly. The question is just if these features what you need, if you do not want to get a controllerist and just stick to the CDJs and maybe DVS.

    The S4 is a wonderful piece of gear (during the half year of using it I have fallen in love) and covers all important features of Traktor without endless usage of Shift-Buttons.

    Maybe just try the Traktor Demo and then decide. Unfortunately I can not tell anything about the Xone DX, just know that Allen&Heath is known for their well-built gear.

    Hope this helped
    (P.S.: I use it for mainly playing Harddance, Progressive-House and House-Electro-Stuff)
    Last edited by RockingClub; 01-04-2012 at 04:44 AM.

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    I just recently bought the DX, after hawking it for a month at GC. But I'm also a S4 owner since last February. I almost want to say hands down that the S4 has the best overall controls when it comes to Traktor, especially when its paired up with a X1 for added controls to the sample decks. The only issue I have and this can be apply to any gear, is carrying the the darn thing. I have a huge bag that it travels in when I gig, so it is a bit of a pain. Other than it does the job and does it well.

    As for the DX, the size is just right I can fit in to a large backpack, which is way smaller than my S4 Bag. But the only two complaints I have about the DX is the jog wheels, though I dont scratch I like the option on the S4 to manipulate song as needed without pushing a "jog/scratch" button. And the other complaint has be the knobs on the front, they stick out like a sore thumb and I wished they pushed in for traveling and when not in use.
    The things I liked about the DX, was how solid it feels, not saying the S4 isn't solid but it the DX lets you know its there. The long faders are a huge plus and makes me feel like I'm on a true 4 channel mixer. The XLR outputs are nice to have especially when I'm plugging in my monitors at home instead running an outboard mixer. The LEDs are bright and also invokes the feeling of being on a standard mixer.

    Overall both are nice and dont have cramp control surface as I have seen on other controllers. So if the jogwheel isn't a big deal, the DX is a good choice if you want to save some money, but this does come down to personal preference.

    The DX has the option of running Traktor too.

    PS, I also play House, you can catch my mixes I have done with the S4 at http://deejaysoul.com
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    thanks for the feedback!
    also good to hear from an owner of both.

    i already have the S4 and am just deciding whether or not to keep it after seeing the xone DX's major price drop and also considering i want to buy a full cdj set up in the near future.

    i do think that traktor has a lot more potential for creativity than does itch, however, I am not sold on the whole "controllerist" style of DJing..

    I am from chicago and everyone here either uses SSL or cdjs with no dvs
    i have never seen someone play out with traktor at a club or bar.

    ****So i guess i want something portable that best emulates mixing on a 4 channel mixer with cdjs.

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    The DX feels better except for the jogs. If you don't scratch then it doesn't mean squat. The DX feels like any other high end Allen and Heath product, and if you've ever had a chance to play with with a xone mixer (:92, :62) that is a fantastic compliment.

    The S4 is far better suited for traktor, but that doesn't mean the DX doesn't do traktor well. There just aren't native controls for the sampler decks. Itch 2.0 is pretty nice. It's not as polished as traktor, and is certainly more spartan, but that's not a bad thing. You don't always need all of that stuff .

    If you are looking for DVS control in the future, then the S4 is the no brainier of the two. Although people are pining for Itch controllers to have DVS capability, it doesn't seem like it will happen soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RMX View Post
    i do think that traktor has a lot more potential for creativity than does itch, however, I am not sold on the whole "controllerist" style of DJing..
    Traktor definitely does has a ton creatively options. But as far the "controllerist" idea, controllers are no different then what cdjs were to turntables or linear faders mixer are to rotary mixers. I look at my S4 as if I had a two cdjs and a 4 channel mixer with effects in front of me. The only difference in my book, is now I dont have to connect this to that or clean needles, etc. All of our tools control something even our analogue ones. You be surprised how many house cats in nyc use to look down on controllers two-3 years and now I few coming over to the dark side....
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    @deejaysoul

    I totally agree. On the long run, CDJs won't be able to win the fight against controllers imho. You can already observe how CDJ manufacturers add more and more not-CDJ-typical features to their products for still being able to sell it (for example USB-Hubs or Generic MIDI-functionality to control software).
    When it comes down to creative possibilities CDJs and classic mixer do not stand the slightest chance against a Software+Controller Setup!

    So the question is: Why to burn CDs from your downloaded MP3s when it is easier and even more creative to work directly with the MP3s on your PC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deejaysoul View Post
    I look at my S4 as if I had a two cdjs and a 4 channel mixer with effects in front of me.
    exactly what I am looking for

    Quote Originally Posted by RockingClub View Post
    @deejaysoul
    On the long run, CDJs won't be able to win the fight against controllers imho. You can already observe how CDJ manufacturers add more and more not-CDJ-typical features to their products.....When it comes down to creative possibilities CDJs and classic mixer do not stand the slightest chance against a Software+Controller Setup!

    So the question is: Why to burn CDs from your downloaded MP3s when it is easier and even more creative to work directly with the MP3s on your PC?
    true, but at the same time, festival/club/top DJs still widely use cdjs

    I am just looking for a good bedroom/mobile rig that is an upgrade from my hercules rmx, but not as big as my numark ns7, while i save up for a full cdj-exclusive setup. I may or may not add a dvs.

    Where I am at, I see a lot of SSL for DVS and no traktor. i wonder why that is if traktor is said to be better..

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMX View Post
    I am just looking for a good bedroom/mobile rig that is an upgrade from my hercules rmx, but not as big as my numark ns7, while i save up for a full cdj-exclusive setup. I may or may not add a dvs.

    If this is the truth, then save yourself 300+ bucks and buy the DX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RMX View Post

    Where I am at, I see a lot of SSL for DVS and no traktor. i wonder why that is if traktor is said to be better..
    I think it's a local thing. As far as I know, in Europe they use mainly Traktor and in USA SSL is rampant.
    Nevertheless I personally love Traktor more as it contains much more functionality even if it passes on the waveform-on-waveform-design.

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