"Jan was firing and there was returned fire too - I wouldn't be surprised if he got shot.
"We thought he might've got shot - it was quiet. And then there were more shots. It was like he'd pull the trigger once and 10 shots came out."
Mr Rollinson said he heard an initial volley of about six rounds, and he was sure it was Molenaar firing.
Then came more rapid automatic fire, this time up to 20 rounds.
This was when "the tanks and armed offenders squad opened up".
He said that around 9.45pm, police officers were still on the street.
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