Shure M44-7H vs Ortofon Nightclub Concorde

[Viirus::..]

44-7's

[Tornesoul]

Everyone is mostly recommending the shure m44-7s.

old djtt post! http://www.djtechtools.com/2010/05/1...ue-comparison/

I just bought a pair of 2nd hand stanton st150s that came with the original used stanton 680v3 hp carts. I think the needles are wrecked, 1 cantilever seems to have a crack on it.

Should i just get new 680v3 eliptical styli, or go for new m44-7 carts?

[D-Kem]

I've used ortofons but prefer the m44-7s for both timecode and real vinyl. Cheaper too, can't go wrong.

[jayo]

I never really came back here to update. I went with the shure's, which is what I had in mind and everybody else reinforced. Everything is just peachy keen and I haven't looked back since. I just wish I had more time to play with the new tables.

[Tornesoul]

I never really came back here to update. I went with the shure's, which is what I had in mind and everybody else reinforced. Everything is just peachy keen and I haven't looked back since. I just wish I had more time to play with the new tables.

good to hear man. im in the market for some shure m44-7 carts too, but they're out of stock atm. only comes w the technics headshell that i dun rly need and no point forking out that extra cash.

whats ur settings for the cart/tonearm?

[jayo]

good to hear man. im in the market for some shure m44-7 carts too, but they're out of stock atm. only comes w the technics headshell that i dun rly need and no point forking out that extra cash.

whats ur settings for the cart/tonearm?

I went with the settings suggested in the material that came with the headshells. I don't remember the exact details on position of the weight, but the antiskate was set at 0. I think the height was set at 3.5 or 4. The info is was inside the packaging.

[mostapha]

Set them as per the instructions and everything is fine, with two exceptions.

1 - You should use as little tracking force as you can get away with. IME, the "recommended maximum" is more than enough. Don't do anything dumb like adding extra weight to the headshell or turning the counterweight around……all it does is make things sound worse and ruin needles and records faster.

2 - The anti-skate adjustment has never been correct according to the numbers on any table I've used. The correct way to set it is to get a record with nothing printed on it (at least on one side), put it on the turntable and put the needle on it (while it's spinning). Keep an eye on it so it doesn't jump completely off the record, and then just play with the anti-skate knob until it stays put towards the middle of the record. If you're scratching heavily, back it off just a bit from there (lower number).

If you can't get the record to stop skipping like that, then there are like 3 common causes: you didn't level the turntable properly (with a $4 circular bubble level), your tonearm bearings are messed up, or you just plain can't scratch and need a lot more practice……which I think you should do with the cheapest carts you can find………at least until you get to the point you're not skipping all over the damn place.

[Nakkanen]

I recently bought some M44-7's and I find them great, very durable, relatively cheap and the little flip down plastic styli protector is great for that extra bit of protection. Agreed about dust accumulation though I used to have stanton 680v3 hp's and they gathered much less dust, but they aren't good for scratching IMO.

[sarasin]

I recently got the Ortofon Concorde Scratches and they are really really cool.

Compared to the Ortofon Concorde Electro's that I also have, the Scratch skips much less.
Haven't been able to get it to skip yet actually.

Never used the M44-7's, so no comment there.

[djproben]

sarasin are those the pink ones? I have a pair of those that I bought years ago. They sound fantastic but they definitely cause more record wear than the shures. I noticed it immediately when back cueing and scratching with a really old (and thin) record; even a couple times back and forth with the stylus and I noticed more pops and fuzz. So keep an eye on things if you make that your standard cart.

(Oh yeah I should add that mine were not Concorde style, if it makes a difference)