Analyse of Boys Noize's build up effects on Pioneer mixer

[magdalenee]

it starts around 3.01 and that buildup is really sweet, that song is phantom (boys noize remix) and i am sure it has quite different buildup. he might looped upcoming song and made a buildup with the drums but still there is some effect he turned off right before the drop .

any ideas?

[magdalenee]

maybe its echo which is not available in traktor boo

[fullenglishpint]

maybe its echo which is not available in traktor boo

Dude, echo and delay are basically the same thing and there are multiple delays available in traktor.

In the video he's probably using a loop, possibly coinciding with the drum buildup of another track to emphasise it and right at the end I'd guess it's the noise or crush color FX on the DJM-900.

[magdalenee]

yeah these 2fxs sounds pretty similar but on djmixers you can find both, echo and delay, so i guess there is some difference but thanks!

[fullenglishpint]

yeah these 2fxs sounds pretty similar but on djmixers you can find both, echo and delay, so i guess there is some difference but thanks!

No, honestly, they're the same thing. You can have many different types of delays, and pioneer has included 2 in their mixers and called one echo for the sake of clarity, but technically there's no difference.

[Shishdisma]

No, honestly, they're the same thing. You can have many different types of delays, and pioneer has included 2 in their mixers and called one echo for the sake of clarity, but they're technically there's no difference.

An echo is a type of delay, all delays are not echos. Saying there's no difference between a basic delay and an echo makes it sound like you don't know what you're talking about.

[fullenglishpint]

An echo is a type of delay, all delays are not echos. Saying there's no difference between a basic delay and an echo makes it sound like you don't know what you're talking about.

Righto shish, can you explain what the difference is? Because I did some googling before my last post to check my preconception, and the overwhelming opinion seems to be that the difference is subjective and there's no definition of what is an echo. Some say it's a vintage colouring or a randomisation of the feedback time, so what differentiates that from a tape delay?

I'm perfectly happy to be proved wrong, and I'm no expert in production effects so maybe there's a consensus I'm not aware of. However, the point stands that traktor has a good variety of delay options.

[Shishdisma]

Righto shish, can you explain what the difference is? Because I did some googling before my last post to check my preconception, and the overwhelming opinion seems to be that the difference is subjective and there's no definition of what is an echo. Some say it's a vintage colouring or a randomisation of the feedback time, so what differentiates that from a tape delay?

I'm perfectly happy to be proved wrong, and I'm no expert in production effects so maybe there's a consensus I'm not aware of. However, the point stands that traktor has a good variety of delay options.

"Echos" and tape delays are extremely similar. One point is the variation between a "multi tap" tape delay (the multitap delay effect on the DJM-2000) which is effectively a delay that cycles more than once, with not much emphasis on the decaying bit. An echo is only a single transient, that repeats on a time division and decays naturally. Tape delays tend to have decays, but can be a bit variable. A true "echo" is defined by it's decay.

[magdalenee]

thank you, your reply was extremely helpful

[Beefman210]

I agree, Delay and Echo on my denon x1600 mixer are very different. Echo is more of a 'one off' echoed sound where as delay actually sounds more like a repetition of the sound..if that makes any sense?? Pretty poor explanation really

but I like BN effects are damn cool. Wish I could do it! ha