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    Hey Guys,

    I am sending one of my marketing guys out to The Mandalay Bay in Vegas in September for 5 days to shoot a conference my company will be at. We have been using the Canon 60D for video we shoot in our makeshift studio at the office, but that won't cut it for the Vegas trip.

    We are looking for something that:

    1. Will shoot for a couple of hours without overheating or running into any filesize/time limitations (The 60D maxes out at 12 minutes. We know there are hacks around this but we're not interested in pursuing those at this time).
    2. Will deliver a quality image in a range of environments such as a show environment (inside, well light stage, no lighting around the audience), on the move (both inside and out), low-light conditions etc.
    3. Has (or can be ordered with) some kind of shoulder or other stabilizing device for walking while shooting.
    4. Can integrate with an external mic (we have the Tascam DR40 field recorder)
    5. Has cost-effective lense options

    Budget - I am not sure sure at this point. Thinking $1,000-$1,500 - so not a huge amount of money.

    Hit me with your suggestions!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smiTTTen View Post
    Hey Guys,

    I am sending one of my marketing guys out to The Mandalay Bay in Vegas in September for 5 days to shoot a conference my company will be at. We have been using the Canon 60D for video we shoot in our makeshift studio at the office, but that won't cut it for the Vegas trip.

    We are looking for something that:

    1. Will shoot for a couple of hours without overheating or running into any filesize/time limitations (The 60D maxes out at 12 minutes. We know there are hacks around this but we're not interested in pursuing those at this time).
    2. Will deliver a quality image in a range of environments such as a show environment (inside, well light stage, no lighting around the audience), on the move (both inside and out), low-light conditions etc.
    3. Has (or can be ordered with) some kind of shoulder or other stabilizing device for walking while shooting.
    4. Can integrate with an external mic (we have the Tascam DR40 field recorder)
    5. Has cost-effective lense options

    Budget - I am not sure sure at this point. Thinking $1,000-$1,500 - so not a huge amount of money.

    Hit me with your suggestions!!!

    Cheers,
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    What are the audio requirements? Does the camera op need to pick up sound from the conference PA system? Can he get a split of the podium mic? Any camera with at least 1 XLR input I guess would do the job.

    The smallest camera we use in work is a JVC GY-HM100, it records ProRes, has two XLR inputs (one for the top mic) and records onto SD card. It also has 9db of gain which can be used in low light, I think it will go higher but the picture gets too grainy if you go much over 9db. The workflow isnt too bad either, the footage can be dropped straight into FCP. Id recommend a good tripod too, with a fluid head...normal photographic tripods wont cut the mustard.

    The blackmagic cameras are pretty good, i played with their cinema camera last year at IBC and I fancy their pocket camera for myself, but they arent really things id recommend for filming a conference with, besides you would beed to get a decent telephoto/zoom lens for it...again im assuming the camera op will be at the back of the conference hall picking up stuff on stage (one more reason for a really good tripod).

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    Quote Originally Posted by djchriswoods.co.uk View Post
    The blackmagic cameras are pretty good, i played with their cinema camera last year at IBC and I fancy their pocket camera for myself, but they arent really things id recommend for filming a conference with, besides you would beed to get a decent telephoto/zoom lens for it...again im assuming the camera op will be at the back of the conference hall picking up stuff on stage (one more reason for a really good tripod).
    The beauty about the Pocket seems to be that it takes standard M4/3rds lenses, some of which can be had for peanuts in comparison to cine lenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdcdesign View Post
    The beauty about the Pocket seems to be that it takes standard M4/3rds lenses, some of which can be had for peanuts in comparison to cine lenses.
    Yeah i know, but its not really a 'professional' camera though. its a nice but niche camera, it only records at 4:2:2, which is substandard for big TV productions and film which all require uncompressed 4:4:4 and it only had a mini jack input for a mic...which is not professional either...i know in film audio is recorded separately but still...
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    Quote Originally Posted by djchriswoods.co.uk View Post
    Yeah i know, but its not really a 'professional' camera though. its a nice but niche camera, it only records at 4:2:2, which is substandard for big TV productions and film which all require uncompressed 4:4:4 and it only had a mini jack input for a mic...which is not professional either...i know in film audio is recorded separately but still...
    Well from what it sounds like this is more for "event videography", and possibly YouTube reviews, which is a WAY different ballgame don't forget. Decent, wide, fast MFT lenses are WAY cheaper than the equivalent cine lenses; although admittedly there are a few decent video cams on the market atm which take EF mount, but the point still stands.

    As for the XLR thing, that's really only an issue when dealing with long cable runs... sounds like they're planning on using the Tascam for audio anyway. Either way, in terms of price/performance ratio I don't think there's much better out on the market at the moment, considering the fact that the BMPCC can record 1080p RAW AND takes reasonably cheap lenses.

    But tbh, you're probably in a better position than me to judge that since video isn't really my thing; I'm more of a stills guy.
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    Do NOT rent any Red Camera, first of all, to rent one will easily blow your budget, plus you won't have anywhere near the needed post-production hardware/software to cope with 4k RAW files.

    Also, with that budget you have, you're going to have to rent, not buy, the canon DSLRs are really the last stretch around that price range. (You can forget any talk about BlackMagic cameras as well).. which is the camera I personally own right now, the workflow costs will bone you.

    If you want to go down the route of DSLR-type video cameras, I would go for the the Sony FS100/700, the Canon C100/300 or the Panasonic AF100, all these cameras have much simpler post-production workflows.

    But I honestly wouldn't suggest those cameras, I've worked in the video industry since 2007 and I've seen many people who hear about the 'new' cameras that have amazing pictures, then they get it, film with it and are bitterly disappointed. Those type of cameras require a lot of work to get a decent looking image out of them, they're not point and shoot/out of the box cameras.

    The type of camera you need is either the Sony EX1, Canon XL1 or Panasonic HPX250 (which I also personally have owned), these are workhorse cameras, they have EVERYTHING you need already on the camera, they don't fuck around with 40-odd lenses, they have 1 lens, which will cover everything. They have a microphone, they have, like I said, everything.

    They'll be cheap to rent and you'll get everything you need in a deal package, the post-workflows are simple as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djchriswoods.co.uk View Post
    Yeah i know, but its not really a 'professional' camera though. its a nice but niche camera, it only records at 4:2:2, which is substandard for big TV productions and film which all require uncompressed 4:4:4
    Completely, not true. The BBC standard is 4:2:2 and the rest of the world essentially run's there standards off what the BBC do. House (the american show, fairly big) used Canon DSLRs exclusively for a few shows and they record at 4:2:0, movies don't 'require' anything, they can be shot on whatever they want to be shot on, iPhones and GoPro's alike have been used on hollywood films since there inception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ham View Post
    Completely, not true. The BBC standard is 4:2:2 and the rest of the world essentially run's there standards off what the BBC do. House (the american show, fairly big) used Canon DSLRs exclusively for a few shows and they record at 4:2:0, movies don't 'require' anything, they can be shot on whatever they want to be shot on, iPhones and GoPro's alike have been used on hollywood films since there inception.
    The BBC standard for broadcast (i.e. at point of transmission is 4:2:2 while most other broadcasters are 4:2:0), but for their big drama productions, for example, the acquisition must be done at 4:4:4. This is listed in the commissioning papers, and was up until at least 3 years ago...maybe its changed.
    I know the episode of house your talking about, it was an end of season finale. They only went with the Canon DSLRs to show it could be done...and Canon paid them big money to do so, i have an article about it somewhere in my Broadcast Engineering Magazine archive. They mentioned the work flow was a pain and the lack of timecode made the edit a nightmare.

    I've also never seen GoPro footage in any Hollywood film, if it has been, it will be only of been the case if a cast member is seen using one, they would cut to the footage as a quick cut away at best. I know TV shows use GoPros where they sacrifice quality for usability

    I wouldnt pick a DSLR for this job, the OP said 'Will shoot for a couple of hours without overheating or running into any filesize/time limitations (The 60D maxes out at 12 minutes' which is the case with all DSLRs. Also the 'Will shoot for a couple of hours' suggest to be that the camera op will purely be shooting presentations head on with few chances to get cut aways etc...
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