poor vinyl timecode response - Am I expecting too much?
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    I came from vinyl, then controller, and now I'm dabbling with DVS/Scratch... Unfortunately I'm experiencing very poor response from the (MK2) vinyl timecode. I'm attempting to use the same technique I use with vinyl - 'scrape' the beat in time with the live track until I'm ready to release it, release it in time, manually make phase/tempo adjustments. However, the startup after releasing the record is inconsistent at best. As a result, starting the track on beat is impossible. Even when I'm scraping the beat, it doesn't sound like I would expect. It sounds like the needle is jumping around, but it isn't.

    Are there configuration settings I can tweak or am I expecting too much to hope that DVS response would be nearly identical to vinyl.

    The latency on my 2011 MacBook is below 10ms, brand new needles, running through my Z2.
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    I have an older MBP with around 23ms latency and don't notice much difference. Are the timecodes new? Does the signal sound right when you are playing it out?
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    The timecodes are brand new. The signal sounds fine when it's playing. I can match them up after the sloppy drop-in.....Currently, if I scratched, I think it would be impossible because of the response.
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    That doesn't seem right. What sample rate for the interface?
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    I'll check when I get home. I haven't mucked with it, so it's whatever the default is. What sort of rate should I be looking for?
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    48 sample rate is normal. I use timecode every day, and the accuracy is there. so something is wrong with your setup.

    Post pics of your timecode calibration animation thing.

    Also check you TT ground, that wreaks havoc with timecode.

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    A video might be helpful too.
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    44.1k is the normal sample rate for digital music
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    I'll check the sample rate tonight and (attempt to) capture it on video.
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    Do you have quantise and snap enabled?

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