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    so thats about it- as a preface to all of this
    i am asking noob questions so if you dont like then i apologize but i want to try to get son into it- he hasnt fell over himself to learn right now, but i feel as though once the equip gets set up it will be more interesting for him and he is really into music (piano, clarinet, etc)- plus i want to fool with it agian in free time which having a different job as of recently will allow me more free time.

    i dug around the attic and got my pdx2000 tt out and the tuner/amp and speakers and a fist full of vinyl...
    thats all i was able to find from not fooling with anything for upwards of 20 years (give/take)
    there is more elsewhere- but back when i was a bedroom dj, there wqasnt any of this digital stuff- yeah im old school with the 12" singles and stuff.

    but i am intrigued- been watching YT and various forums and reading and learning- taking it all in last several months
    finally got around to thinking/feeling it is time to ask some questions that i want to learn


    so i see these serato tt's - i want to know where to get that vinyl that they are using- wheres cool spot to get ??

    AND mostly -> how the hell does that even work i just dont get it.
    so IOW, any given video on YT i see like "So Called Beef WIth You Know Who"- how is it that he can place needle any where - or why does he even anyways, if it is digital?
    is there an advantage to having the needle on outer edge???
    also if digital - like why or whats the deal with guy cleaning off the needle of fuzz...isnt it all like digitally produced/mixed and needle having nothing to do with it...?

    so i think ultimately i would like to get another pdx2000 and maybe a rane, numark or pioneer controller sx- sz etc... and run them all- open to suggestions for starter kit stuff...money not so much an object- and i am avid user of craigslist and forums and have done purchases that way too (mostly)


    i am also wondering about the best places / sources for all kinds of various tracks ...
    some that my 11 year old son will like and maybe specifically clean edit stuff....or some not so clean for me and to use in his absence...?

    any info insight guidance is welcome and again sorry for noob stuff - but so want to get back into it to see if son likes and wants to fool with it.

    pls thx
    in advance
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    Serato only make software and Noisemap (timecode) records/CDs. These are used to control digital music on a laptop via compatible hardware (either an external audio interface or a mixer with one built in). DJs are able to play music from any needle drop by using a feature called 'relative mode', meaning the timecode doesn't tack the precise location of the needle compared to the playing track in the software. The alternative is 'absolute mode', which means the record behaves just like a music record, and plays the track at the exact point it would be if you played from the beginning.

    Relative mode opens up some options with using other features like cue points, which are markers on the digital track that can be called up instantly using buttons. The Pioneer DJ DJM-S9 is a good example of a mixer with those buttons.

    You'll be sad to hear that Rane as we know it was purchased by inMusic, the corporation that owns Numark, Akai, Denon DJ and a load of other companies. As it stands, products are in a bit of limbo since there haven't been any new ones out since the purchase, and old ones are no longer made.

    For Serato-compatible equipment, look at Pioneer DJ, Numark, Reloop, or Mixars. For music, iTunes, Bandcamp, or Beatport.
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    so no difference between the serato TT and say like a pioneer sx? i mean like ability or functionally speaking
    would it only be the aesthetic/s look of having tt's and not something small to mix with?

    so is there anything going on when he/anyone picks up the needle and places it back down on record? i guess i dont clearly understand how that or why that or whatever works or how.

    its all good, but just trying to understand the technology as it may help me in making decision as to what to get to complete the system.

    how about these utility dj scratch records, are they full of legit grooves and samples for scratching, or is that also just 'for show' and the samples are in laptop>? i thought there were dj scratch records that had a utility function to them and could be used on regular old school 1200's/denon/etc's..?

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    so got the equipment hooked up and the TT (pdx2000) continues to skip - just letting record play it skips after about 2-3 revelutions of record. and then it is stuck on skip, and needle doesnt continue the groove...

    SO i brought it to local tt / audio electronics guy, and he said that the isnt working properly b/c the tone arm, when swung to center of record, isnt reaching/touching the center spindle thing-

    so i brought it back home and im not sure i agree.... i mean how is it that after sitting for so many years and not been moved around how could it get shorter in length and cause it to not work ?? this sounds weird to me.

    tried google but no images that i found that show weather or not the tonearm touches/reaching the center spindle when brought all the wat in on record.

    any insight or direction i could be sent in??

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    You might want to check your tone arm weight. There should be a small bit of metal attached to the top end of your stylus.

    Another point to check is whether your turntable is belt driven or direct drive. I can think of about 3 turntable options, although there could be more...

    Technics is the "standard" option.
    Stanton is another option - I have Stanton st8-150s and have served me well for over ten years with heavy use.
    Numark has a turntable, but I have limited knowledge on that front.

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    Check the anti-skate and the counterweight. Also, work out what headshell/cart you have so you can set it all up properly. Look for a video on YT.
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    So can any TT be used with those timecode vinyl and serato???
    Or does it take special tt's...

    also couple other questions

    just getting into it again- which is best or better for the bucks....ns7ii or sx2??
    i like both, but really kinda dig the vinyl look and feel of the ns7

    there is a sx2 about hour or so away and he is asking 750$ decent / reasonable price but for 800 or so i could get the ns7....

    isnt the ns7ii like all steel build and motor driven - i kinda like the beefy / stout'y feel of the metal shroud...plus i do powder coating if i ever wanted to customize it.

    but aside from that- is there something on the sx2 that i cant do on the ns7ii??
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    Quote Originally Posted by mhyde71 View Post
    So can any TT be used with those timecode vinyl and serato???
    Or does it take special tt's...

    also couple other questions

    just getting into it again- which is best or better for the bucks....ns7ii or sx2??
    i like both, but really kinda dig the vinyl look and feel of the ns7

    there is a sx2 about hour or so away and he is asking 750$ decent / reasonable price but for 800 or so i could get the ns7....

    isnt the ns7ii like all steel build and motor driven - i kinda like the beefy / stout'y feel of the metal shroud...plus i do powder coating if i ever wanted to customize it.

    but aside from that- is there something on the sx2 that i cant do on the ns7ii??
    You can use any turntable with timecode. all it needs to do is pick up the tone on the record. More importantly is having an audio interface with enough inputs and outputs, preferably with a preamp for the phono level signal from the turntables. If the NS7 II or SX2 support Serato DJ DVS, it should be fine.

    From what you've said, I agree that getting the NS7 would be better for you. You might not even need turntables! It's a nice bit of kit.

    https://djworx.com/review-numark-ns7...dj-controller/
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    i have looked around on google (of course) but not seeing any one that like specilizes in pdx repairs/restorations...

    is there perhaps a resident technicaian here or someone that i could be referred to thru here or know of someone??

    i feel that the local guy i brought the tt to is whacked - i finally found an image on line that indicated (to me at least) that the tone arm on the pdx2000 doesnt reach the spindle when brought to the center. should it?? idk, but like to find someone that is knowledgeable/savvy about fixing it for me.

    pls thx

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