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    Quote Originally Posted by Laserbeam View Post
    I am quite certain that Richie could play a set with two CDJs and people would enjoy his mix just as much as his other performances.

    It really is diffrent, i was sceptical to, but saw him at awakenings festival, big tent with 5000 peeps inside and it really made a diffrence...and dont forget, he is really making an effort for this , like you said he could also turn op with just his usb stick but dicided he wanted to give more....

    And yes like any dj he sometimes has a bad day, but don't we all
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    Quote Originally Posted by ragverp View Post
    It really is diffrent, i was sceptical to, but saw him at awakenings festival, big tent with 5000 peeps inside and it really made a diffrence...and dont forget, he is really making an effort for this , like you said he could also turn op with just his usb stick but dicided he wanted to give more....

    And yes like any dj he sometimes has a bad day, but don't we all
    Can you describe what made the difference?
    Anyway, I do think he is a luminary of Techno(logy), but perhaps in some sense he took things too far. He made Techno glamorous, turned it into a pop culture, lives a jetset lifestyle himself. I suppose his artist fees start at 10.000 bucks and reach far beyond. He worked hard and deserves the credit for it, but it's definitely has all got a dark side as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laserbeam View Post
    Can you describe what made the difference?
    Anyway, I do think he is a luminary of Techno(logy), but perhaps in some sense he took things too far. He made Techno glamorous, turned it into a pop culture, lives a jetset lifestyle himself. I suppose his artist fees start at 10.000 bucks and reach far beyond. He worked hard and deserves the credit for it, but it's definitely has all got a dark side as well.
    Adam Beyer is just bringing his usb and his fee's are up there with the rest of them, Carl cox is playing a traktor d2 setup with 2 cdj's and he earns more then most of them combined, Amaly lens just the usb etc etc..

    Richie is not my favourite, actualy none of the above, but he is doing en did more work for techno then all of them, the fact he is not behind a stage gives another feel. I felt more connected to him, i loved that he has 2 or 3 camera's on the equipment showing what he is doing on the big screen behind him.
    And as a fellow producer and dj i could really see the level of the performance he took it to...

    Granted that 99.8 % in the room is to far out to even notice anything like that, but that is no reason to stop making a effort

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    i love how every post here has a valid point in it. great discussion guys
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    Interesting about the cameras. He recognises part of the Richie Hawtin experience is seeing what he is doing.

    If you just listen, is what is coming out the speakers sounding better than playing finished mixed tracks? I guess the answer is sometimes yes, sometimes not; but of course it's original and that's the niche he's carved and has made him successful.

    I would say it's easy for a DJ to fall down the self-indulgent rabbit hole, but of course people vote with their feet, literally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ragverp View Post
    ACarl cox is playing a traktor d2 setup with 2 cdj's and he earns more then most of them combined
    So...the funny thing about Carl Cox, according to one of his "How I Play" videos, is that he has the CDJs controlling Traktor and does it just because he believes people expect to see the physicality he brings to a DJ set that's missing when he only plays on more modern controllers.

    There was apparently a time when hew as just using a Maschine to control Traktor.

    If you just wanted perfectly mixed music, a computer could do that. There are a lot of people, even in the club scene, who believe a DJ could be replaced by an iPod on shuffle. They're obviously wrong, but there are people who wouldn't notice even that.

    The idea of criticizing a DJ for doing "too much" or saying that something they're doing not being worth it...I think is BS. If it wasn't worth it, they wouldn't get booked.

    Criticizing success...there's no point. All of these people play music they like to punters who like their taste and style, and they're successful enough to keep doing it. Beyond that...nothing really matters unless you're comparing yourself to them....which, mostly, isn't what they do. I'd bet good money Hawtin doesn't compare himself to Cox and feel bad because his booking fees are (probably) lower. He compares himself to himself yesterday or a year ago or a decade ago, and that's why he does what he does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mostapha View Post
    ....He compares himself to himself yesterday or a year ago or a decade ago, and that's why he does what he does.
    This is what we all should be doing as artists. Art and music are not a competition. They are a collaborative effort in self expression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mostapha View Post
    So...the funny thing about Carl Cox, according to one of his "How I Play" videos, is that he has the CDJs controlling Traktor and does it just because he believes people expect to see the physicality he brings to a DJ set that's missing when he only plays on more modern controllers.

    The idea of criticizing a DJ for doing "too much" or saying that something they're doing not being worth it...I think is BS. If it wasn't worth it, they wouldn't get booked.

    Criticizing success...there's no point. All of these people play music they like to punters who like their taste and style, and they're successful enough to keep doing it.
    1. It's funny cause nobody can barelely see Carl mixing because the stages he plays are just too big.
    2. There are DJs doing too much, Hawtin is not one of them. There have allways been the guys who tend to believe they need to add effects to anything, but destroy the mix by doing so. Some DJs even mix like shit, but they are still worth it in some way, for the promoter, because these guys fill the floor. It's still a big mystery to me how Mr. Guetta for example is not capable of handlling two CDJs
    https://youtu.be/kMRe5A215xs?t=719
    3. I don't think anybody critisizes the success. In Richie's Case it is well deserved and I believe if he had not gone trying to push himself and reach the next level, there would not be a Model1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_bastet View Post
    This is what we all should be doing as artists. Art and music are not a competition. They are a collaborative effort in self expression.
    Amen.

    Seriously, listen to any of the top guys in almost any field talk...that's what they do and how they think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laserbeam View Post
    1. It's funny cause nobody can barelely see Carl mixing because the stages he plays are just too big.
    2. There are DJs doing too much, Hawtin is not one of them. There have allways been the guys who tend to believe they need to add effects to anything, but destroy the mix by doing so. Some DJs even mix like shit, but they are still worth it in some way, for the promoter, because these guys fill the floor. It's still a big mystery to me how Mr. Guetta for example is not capable of handlling two CDJs
    https://youtu.be/kMRe5A215xs?t=719
    3. I don't think anybody critisizes the success. In Richie's Case it is well deserved and I believe if he had not gone trying to push himself and reach the next level, there would not be a Model1.
    1. Agreed. There's still a sense of him moving around, though. I think it's more about him jumping and bouncing and moving back and forth across a setup that's almost 6 feet wide that he's referring to...not so much what he's doing to the hardware.

    2. Agreed. Whether I'm playing minimal techno or house or full on "why am I doing this" EDM, I like doing as little as possible and getting out of the way of the music. Hawtin has a very different way of playing that I respect but don't care to do. And he's very very good at it.

    3. There was someone ITT that seemed to make fun of him for his lifestyle. I can't be fussed to scroll up and figure out who. Maybe I misinterpreted it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mostapha View Post
    So...the funny thing about Carl Cox, according to one of his "How I Play" videos, is that he has the CDJs controlling Traktor and does it just because he believes people expect to see the physicality he brings to a DJ set that's missing when he only plays on more modern controllers.

    There was apparently a time when hew as just using a Maschine to control Traktor.

    If you just wanted perfectly mixed music, a computer could do that. There are a lot of people, even in the club scene, who believe a DJ could be replaced by an iPod on shuffle. They're obviously wrong, but there are people who wouldn't notice even that.

    The idea of criticizing a DJ for doing "too much" or saying that something they're doing not being worth it...I think is BS. If it wasn't worth it, they wouldn't get booked.

    Criticizing success...there's no point. All of these people play music they like to punters who like their taste and style, and they're successful enough to keep doing it. Beyond that...nothing really matters unless you're comparing yourself to them....which, mostly, isn't what they do. I'd bet good money Hawtin doesn't compare himself to Cox and feel bad because his booking fees are (probably) lower. He compares himself to himself yesterday or a year ago or a decade ago, and that's why he does what he does.
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