make huge gameworlds to train special forces in australia, new zealand, UK, usarmy and usmc plus some others I cant mention hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Djtom420
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoGb7r8k-5E
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make huge gameworlds to train special forces in australia, new zealand, UK, usarmy and usmc plus some others I cant mention hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Djtom420
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoGb7r8k-5E
Yeah and reading what I wrote again i realized the same guys that I'm thinking said Osama got money from selling drugs are the same guys that said Sadam had WMD's.Quote:
Originally Posted by djfrogstar
The banning of guns seems to work well for England...Quote:
Originally Posted by Djtom420
Regardless, you seem to be blowing what I said a bit out of proportion, thus making you still feel it is ok to break the law by downloading music from torrents and blog sites. I am still waiting for you to be able to prove why it is ok for you to be able to break the law. Again, it seems you have crossed over into some magical mystery world where the law only needs to apply certain people where they feel the law fits. I am very interested in how you get to Djtom420's magical world of popcorn balls, lollipop rocket ships, and mythical dragons who download music torrents while you wrestle giant gummy bears and still manage to play with Ableton, Fruity loops, Acid Pro, and Sound Forge, all while escaping the realms of the Law.
rather easliy first off I dont DL music as I said before. I use torrents for linux stuff, as Im in IT. I also us torrents to trade LIVE dj mixes like john digweeds weekly BBC show, OLD DJ mixes tapes from the 80 & 90s that u cant get on CD or any where essentially u know DJ (insert local djs name)s mixed tape from b4 they got famous or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
Also, RE breaking the law. if u read my previous post i pasted the law there. the law is aimed at those that make recording or mp3s for upload to sites like TPB. not those that download them. so if one owns a record and downloads the mp3 from TPB while setting there upload speed to 0, then they are not breaking ANY LAWS.
P.S. and re banning guns in england. yes its worked so well with no citizens have guns, no police have guns and yet the criminals still have guns, Hmm yeah that worked really welll, do your research first before just saying somthing...
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Originally Posted by The Vly
You do realize that the original poster asked if it was wrong to steal music right? So yes I am arguing the legality of the issue!
I guess you haven't read everything I wrote in this thread, or you would have seen where I wrote that artists must make their money now through touring and gigs. I wouldn't say that the digital revolution has made everything better. That is really how you personally look at things. I for one see it both ways... on one hand you have so much music now flooding the market, and a lot of it is just pure sh!t. Back in the day you had to do a lot of work to get your music heard by a abel or a dj etc... So now you have crappy labels and bad producers being able to get their music out there, plus everyone wants to be a producer and they cut a lot of corners. On the other hand, we have a lot of great producers out there now, and the costs of operating a label have literally been cut down to a small amount of overhead... There are lots of pros and cons here and like i said i think it really depends on the person on whether or not they thing everything going digital helped or hurt the industry.
last point i'll make:
so i have a vinyl containing a song i love.
NOW, tell me what the difference is between these:
1. i rip it myself to my comp.
2. i go and DL off a blog, or a torrent with no upload rate (therefore not sharing it with anyone else)
personally, i don't see the difference. i don't see how i'm "supporting" anything, as i'm not helping it distribute any more than it would have already. i'm grabbing it from a source, and keeping it for myself and only myself. there is no "support" you speak of. the end product is the same in both cases, no money is lost, and i have an mp3 of my song.
That may not be illegal as the law currently exists(not sure) BUT how did the file get there? If the artist or label didn't allow it then it's existence is illegal thus making your downloading of it potentially illegal at best(worst), certainly morally suspect. I don't want to keep flogging a dead horse but, for those that stand on the side of feeling they are in the right of downloading these files, what do you all do for a living? BTW I find this topic very interesting but I'm hoping we can keep it civil.Quote:
Originally Posted by djhipnotikk
I'm interested in the automatic assumption of some of the commentors that since something is "illegal" it is automatically wrong. Maybe I'm just a radical, but just because the state or a multinational company says something is wrong, doesn't necessarily mean that it is.
The Berne convention covers the law on copyright to all that have signed up. It is perfectly legal to burn a copy of your songs from vinyl or tape. However it is illegal to copy music from a cd to your PC. However there is a licence you can purchase to do this in certain countrys.
Software companys and the music industry both steal imense amounts of each other it is redicilous. Small lables do care about there acts. However the modern records industry is disgusting. They use people then chew them up and throw them away. Ofcourse there are exceptions. I really think though they should get with the times and remodel their business. However if you believe in an artist buy there music. Same with software if you beleive in the company buy thier stuff. I am a big fan of Native Instruments philosophy.
While again I only support someone DLing files they own a Vinyl or Cd of. I happen to be in IT. Systems administrator to be specific.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirReal;