I just dont get it....?

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Originally Posted by alien2k

Hmmm funny you sayed so. Actually there was a contest on this site and I won a nocturn, but unfortunately novation friends have not send it yet so I am waiting to see how the setup you described is going to work. I wanted to assing all the effects and maybe others to the nocturn.

Also I forgot to mention that i mix externally, so I dont use the VCI for software mixing.

Your conern about the tempo sliders is true. At first I thought they were useless, but with a little practice and gentle touchs I am now used to them. I practice manual beatmatch regularly and I usually end at +- 0.1 from the other song bpm using those sliders and Traktor 3. I also play with another friend and he uses TTs and I can beatmatch perfectly with the VCI, so I would say GO FOR IT!

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Thanks for the response. You should put some pressure on Novation! They are good guys - very nice - give them a call.

Yeah Im considering the VCI100....but this slider thing is an irritation. In a club situation I want to have my life made easier - not to have to strain to move the slider the 'perfectly tiny amount'. I like to vibe and enjoy the mix - not become a surgeon ;). And Id rather not get into the habit of using the sync - that why Ableton got so dull. I got bored in my own sets - how sh*t is that!! Thats not what its about....;)

it seems to me that what you need is a timecode system plus a midi controller.... :)

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Originally Posted by alien2k

it seems to me that what you need is a timecode system plus a midi controller.... :)

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2 years ago I would have agreed - but I sold one of my 1200s...and now when I look at my other 1200 and my vestax mixtix I wonder - whats the point in that bulky hardware?

To throw in another complication (!) I live in a London flat and my bedroom is mostly full of production gear based around a big DAW workstation and master keyboard - so Im really limited on space for a full 2 deck set-up!

Thanks for the suggestion tho ;)

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Originally Posted by PIGLET

With this Standton SCS it looks like they are clinging onto the old turntable paradigm in a way that is bulky, tacky-looking and probably budget sounding - yet expensive as well. ....FWIW I think that 'Da Scratch' thing looks rubbish (although an interesting concept)...cant see many Turntablists using that!

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I wouldnt make so many assumptions on the SCS series quality without actually having used one - if you asked me id say the NS7 was clinging onto the basic turntable setup more than the SCS. I have to agree the NS7 looks nicer but i think as for layout the SCS is the winner for mix djs and those of us doing controllerism - the NS7 is way more of a turntablist battle setup.

The SCS3d DaScratch is a pretty epic litte controller and not something to cough about, sure your not going to see hardcore turntablism routine on it but you will see a digital vinyl turntablist use it next to their setup to controll all the sorts of things they cant get their turntables to do. Just because something cant be used for turntablism doesnt mean its not good - i happen to own a dascratch and i think it is a very good controller that i couldnt live without. Infact my whole setup is crap for turntablism, but does that mean its a crap setup ? Hell no !

You will probably find the Eks Otus isnt that great for turntablism either.

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Originally Posted by PIGLET

Why these manufacturers try to trick us be claiming 96Khz (or even 196!!) audio makes it a good interface I dont know. No-one plays back at that sample-rate on tracks that have been recorded and mixed down to 44.1. Anyone who knows, knows that it is the quality of D/A converters that is most important in these interfaces - not how high the sample rate goes....

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I agree there, the only reason anyone would need a higher sample rate is for in the studio, even then you are only recording in a a high sample rate then brining the sample rate down to 44.1Khz - its just standard marketing now because if newbies dont see that it supports such a high sample rate then they wont buy the device.

I'm with bento. SC system rules. so does da-scratch.

it's an epic freakin controller. and amazingly useful. if you want mini turntables, no they're not for you.

but if you want an innovative TOTALLY programmable controller? it's probably one of the coolest things on the market.

Started a new thread, I know alien2k and PIGLET will want to check it out. ;)

http://www.djtechtools.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3313

....So what do you guys use the Da Scratch for?

Maybe its useful for fx? And Nudging whilst mixing...?

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Originally Posted by PIGLET

....So what do you guys use the Da Scratch for?

Maybe its useful for fx? And Nudging whilst mixing...?

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you can use it for everything.

search youtube.

Mmm a unit containing 2 'Da Scratchs' - a nice mixer section and a nice FX set of knobs and 'maybe' another assignable scratch surface would be pretty nice...;)

I dunno tho - to me it seems a bit gimmiky even though it looks like a nice idea in theory - and looks well implemented. Probably some will love it and be very creative with it.

I cant see myself enjoying doing little slidey movements to adjust EQs - for example Id rather have a physical knob. (the one in between my legs does not control eq)

it's quite easy to scratch with, and because it's fully programmable it's great for a variety of things. I used it for nearly all transport functions in traktor and it was perfect.

and with 2 sc3 3d's you can control 4 decks and more effects/functions than you could dream!

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I thought the same as you when it first came out. "Oh great, just some gimmick that's gonna be terrible at emulating vinyl. Look at us, we're stanton, we're jumping on a bandwagon!!" Buuuut, I went to check it out at guitar center back in october, because i was intrigued by the videos. But as with many products I expected to scoff and go hang out in the synth section for a while.

The guys pulled it outta the box and we installed it onto the studio mac and opened ableton. I recognized the Bome's symbol and went "woah..." and as we started playing with it inside ableton I started to get really excited. I quickly assigned some MIDI, and did a quick controllerism routine with the "metal" samples they had, mixed with the hip hop samples.

We played with it for about an hour before I ended up taking one home for myself.

The hardware is pretty impressive (I craked mine open and took some pictures for Bento). The buttons tend to stick after a few weeks of use, but it's VERY easy to clean them (just rubber and hardened plastic and very easily removable). And the ability to literally make it do anything you want is....just plain amazing. It's it's Bome's code that turns it from gimmick into "OMGAMAZING"