remember guys, guetta is the dj mag #1 DJ
*starts flame war*
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remember guys, guetta is the dj mag #1 DJ
*starts flame war*
Dub is a genre of music which grew out of reggae music in the 1960s, and is commonly considered a subgenre, though it has developed to extend beyond the scope of reggae. Music in this genre consists predominantly of instrumental remixes of existing recordings and is achieved by significantly manipulating and reshaping the recordings, usually by removing the vocals from an existing music piece, emphasizing the drum and bass parts (this stripped down track is sometimes referred to as a 'riddim'). Other techniques include dynamically adding extensive echo, reverb, panoramic delay, and occasional dubbing of vocal or instrumental snippets from the original version or other works.
Dub was pioneered by Osbourne "King Tubby" Ruddock, Lee "Scratch" Perry, Errol Thompson and others in the late 1960s. Similar experiments with recordings at the mixing desk outside of the dancehall environment were also done by producers Clive Chin and Herman Chin Loy. These producers, especially Ruddock and Perry, looked upon the mixing desk as an instrument, manipulating tracks to come up with something new and different. Dub has influenced many genres of music, including rock (most significantly the sub-genre of post-punk and other kinds of punk, pop, hip hop, disco, and later house, techno, ambient, and trip hop. Dub has become a basis for the genres of jungle/drum'n'bass and dubstep.
So how exactly am I confused when I say "Dub" at the very least means mostly instrumental?
The fact that you copied and pasted from Wikipedia tells me that you have no idea what you're talking about. Do you even listen to Dub?Quote:
Originally Posted by DStridium
Do you?
Because you were trying to apply it to dubstep, as if the dub in dubstep implied that dubstep should be mostly instrumental. It doesn't. It's a completely different genre, like the house in hard house.Quote:
Originally Posted by DStridium
Matter of fact does anyone that has been giving me shit for saying dub is mostly instrumental listen to dub? I mean come on dude. If you guys want to be all opinionated on what you think dub really, really is thats fine. To quote Samuel Jackson "Look at the big brain on Brett!" All I was saying was that Skrillex does not qualify to be dubstep in my opinion. Bottom line the word dub refers to a track that is mostly instrumental, sorry I left out that theres an emphasis on bass lines, drums and that vocals are found in dub. la-t-fucking-da. Although to answer you're question, yes I've been listening to reggae my entire life and EDM mostly DUB step for many years. So if you're basis on what I may know or not know is formed on the fact that I used a wikipedia definition to describe my originally very simple point. Then you sir don't know what you're talking about.
And toontown wondered why I put the wikipedia definition up. I guess I don't get it :confused: oh wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack Bastard
Do I listen to Dub? Sometimes... Do I know what it is? Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by DStridium
You're new here...the stupidest conversations on this forum are about genre. Like, when a genre gets brought up everyone has to whip out their genre dick and show it off. It's really lame.
I wouldn't quite pigeon hole dub as mostly instrumental, though i mostly agree with you.
Stuff like the King Tubby/Horace Andy tapes are definitely vocal, but definitely dub. Also like Aswad re-dubbed etc.
I am new here and I'm not trying to make enemies off the bat. Im subsiding from this argument after I say that I feel like everyone is right about what they've said about the genre. Although when I just wanted to simply state that I did not feel Skrillex is dubstep because of what I think is the absolute basic description of what dub is. Everyone was like oh you're confused, you can't be confused about your own opinion. That is all, I hope to have way less stupid conversations in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToOntown
You know…people keep telling me, "No Skrillex and Bassnectar and whoever else" aren't real dubstep…they're crappy brostep. There's good dubstep if you know where to look. But no one ever tells me where to look, and a few DJ sets I've listened to that were praised as that kind of "what dubstep used to be" didn't sound any different.
Just musing.
Skrillex isn't dubstep? I know he makes electro as well and all, but what genre would you classify his music as if it's not dubstep? It might not be dubstep that you're into, but it's still indubitably dubstep.
Being unable to reconcile dub and dubstep does not redefine what the genres mean; and just because there's a dub influence that does not mean dubstep will sound flat out like dub. It's like moombahton, which is a combination of dutch house and reggaeton - simply because moombahton contains influences from dutch house and reggaeton that does not necessarily mean that every moombahton track will sound like one or the other.
I've found that "real dubstep" is generally code for Rusko and Benga.Quote:
Originally Posted by mostapha
Didn't mean for you to think I was calling you stupid--I just wanted point out that people flame like crazy when it comes to genre and since you're new you may not have seen it yet. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DStridium
The only way you'll make enemies is if you act like a punk. Don't worry about that...
My comment was more along the lines of "I find it silly that you act like you know so much about something but you had to use Wikipedia to support your point". Do you see the shystyness in that?
dj'ing is mixing music, guetta and skrillex are producers performing and doing a bit of live editing. controllerism is kinda mixed in with djing, just live editing songs, or making you're own stuff from relative scratch. (not *wicky wicky* scratch)
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Originally Posted by zeddee
Coki, Mala, Excision, Datsik, Doctor P, Rusko, Benga, Zeds Dead, Mt Eden, Nero, Loefah, Skream, Chrispy, The Others, Burial, Ramadanman, Bass Clef, Distance, Anatomist, L-Wiz, N-type, Kromestar, Scuba, Moving Ninja, Digital Mystics, Vex'd, Tes La Rock, 12th Planet, and 16 Bit just to name a few and in no particular order. ;)
Haha you got me man. I should have taken the time to write response on the point from the dome. Im just kind of a bit lazy at times. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by ToOntown
If it was called moombareggaeton it would. Just saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by keeb
@mostapha breakage if your into deeper carefully produced stuff.
Right...Quote:
Originally Posted by DStridium
Ou of curiosity, which artists were listed as "real" dubstep?Quote:
Originally Posted by mostapha
I think that the whole "real" dubstep issue is just a nomenclature thing. Brostep is a blanket term for post-2006ish, mid-range wobble baseliner (as opposed to low-range, deep wobbles). Do I think Skrillex is dubstep? Well, to a certain extent, yes-but I refer to it as "brostep" as a non-derogatory term to more accurately describe his sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by keeb
Not to be all high 'n mighty, but Rusko is considered brostep as well! But you do speak the truth, it's basically a divided list of artists.Quote:
Originally Posted by keeb
I see Doctor P and Skream in the same sentence. Something isn't right here :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DStridium
(as an aside, though, Doctor P really pushes it. His songs have little to no semblance to original dubstep, and while I'm down with the fact that the genre has evolved, having a hat and "yuh-yuh-yuh-yuhyuhyuhyuh" as the main parts of your song can get a little questionable).
Not to derail the thread, I just thought it'd be an interesting discussion to chime in on. The genre has definitely evolved to include different sounds and patterns, from Skream to Skrillex. If you guys want to see some "dubstep" purists, though, head on over to dubstepforum for a good time.
^Truth
Although don't actually go to dubstep forum, it's an awful, awful place full of hipsters wallowing in their own hatred.
I just always thought it was odd cause back when I was in middle school me and my friends kind of discovered dubstep (not trying to sound hip) on our own and just thought it was funny for a while, stuff like Kromestar or really old Rusko, funky basslines and wobbles, but only kind of got into it. then 3 or 4 years later it was just like everywhere, but i love both new and old, just the whole dubstep forum/youtube situation with dubstep is really shit, it'll blow over though.
I think the OP is trolling. He obviously knows SOME stuff about DJing to be able to find this website, my mother knows more about DJing than this guy, and she's clueless with any form of technology. There is no way somebody who can find this website is this clueless about DJing.
Summary: OP is troll.
I think he is. I just have been told it's not "real." Sounds like glorifying a golden age that never existed to me, but…IDK. I wasn't listening when it was new.Quote:
Originally Posted by keeb
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by keeb
I haven't heard all of them, but the ones I have heard sound like the same general thing as Skrillex to me. The only reason I didn't list Datsik, Rusko, Benga, Excision, and a couple others with Skrillex and Bassnectar was because I was lazy. I don't list Nero because, while I still don't actually like dubstep, some of their songs make really interesting additions to a Breaks set……and they seem to do that better than most…that Brixton swing comes through theirs, and most of the "dubstep" doesn't get in the way too much. Plus, their remix of You Used to Hold Me is about the only thing I can imagine that would make me enjoy a Calvin Harris track…and that's worth something.Quote:
Originally Posted by DStridium
I'm not into any of it, but I'll take a listen.Quote:
Originally Posted by synthet1c
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by rt24
Golden age of dubstep, lol. :D
Dubstep is shit......Quote:
Originally Posted by photojojo
eh sorry.... dubstep is the shit!
ahhhh
same difference right, interpretation is different for everyone, bueaty is in the eye of the beholder! right.
personally not a fan of Dubstep, Some tracks I like for the intros and vocal breaks, I just cant groove to the slow wobble, I feel like there is something wrong with my body when trying to move to dubstep.... that and my imagination convinces me that some transformers will soon come and destroy my exsistence... I guess it just dosnt appeal to my sense of RYTHM.
I'm not hating on dubstep, just that there could be a golden age of it.
Umm ok may get flamed for this but I'm sorry how is dubstep different from Dnb jungle. Honestly
First time I really heard dubstep I thought in my head What The Fuck it's electro glitch and jungle with uber low hovers being ran though a gate to create a wobble.
And IMO alot of dubstep I hear sounds so basic it's sickening. And so much uses the same sample packs or presets for synths/vsti
Oh please. Granted it's not the same place it used to be there's still some great people on there who know their stuff. You can hardly blame them for being a bit jaded when most of the new signups these days treat it like some kind of unofficial Skrillex forum. There's a great thread in the General Discussion section that acts as a sort of "intro" to dubstep with some absolute gems in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wday
That looks better :PQuote:
Originally Posted by DStridium
FWIW, the stuff I removed (Excision, Datsik, Doctor P, Rusko, Zeds Dead, Nero, Chrispy, 12th Planet and 16 Bit) are all examples of what's considered by most heads in the scene to be "brostep". Mt Eden however are just considered to be shit.
You might be right but on this forum you never can tell. His question wasn't "wat is DJ and wat does they do?"... though.Quote:
Originally Posted by rt24
And I disagree, not only can you find anything on the internet without knowing a single thing about it, this is one of the largest DJ forums on the internet and it shows up on page one of Google when you search "DJ".
qft.Quote:
Originally Posted by vermilion
I feel that way about any golden age. That's why I used the term.Quote:
Originally Posted by photojojo