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It is not aimed at working DJ's - it is for use in the home (so it says on their site)
Good points:
Seperate mixer so you can plug decks/cdj's in.
Up to 4 wi-fi devices at once.
Play both decks from one USB stick.
Recording directly to USB in 16bit .wav.
Soundcard & midi for Traktor.
Can create own wireless network to connect to phones/tablets.
Not a bad home unit at all.
http://pioneerdj.com/english/product.../xdj-aero.html
winning points for me...similar like the stanton scs4.dj thing...Quote:
Play both decks from one USB stick.
Recording directly to USB in 16bit .wav.
neat concept, i can see myself totting this with a Galaxy Note 2 & a couple of usb drives for a bit of 'fun times'....but the price -_-
and the screen reminds me of my Sony Walkman display 6 years back
http://alpha.akihabaranews.com/wp-co...36/7836//3.jpg
interesting. I don't think it looks toy-like, but I bet its gonna have a huge price tag on it. Not really my thing, I have an S4 and thats all I want as I plan on moving away from all in one's soon.
but if suddenly Santa gives one away for free i would not mind such 'toy'...heck the concept of SCS4.DJ really gets my attention, just that this Aero bring it one step higher with all the wifi & mobile apps..
nice to see, good to hold...but i'm still sold on the sight of 2 turntable and a mixer :P
I doubt that it will have a profound impact on anything.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by deevey
I think it's a great concept. With a little better waves this thing would be a hit. This + a USB stick and your set. Also like the standard filter knobs and Pioneer DJM post fader effects.
I think what we are seeing is the shifting technology of pioneer CDJ's.
I think its awesome, cheapest Rekordbox set up for sure, i would get this over the 350 setup, also has filter knobs!!
Filter Knobs = Win!!
i think manny people will still prefer the S4/Vci-400. And i think Pioneer realizes that the people who really know what they are buying won't spend there money on this, you can see this if you look at the style of the vid. Someone who's looking a serious controller is not interested in skateboarding and that kind of shit, but people who want to be a dj and have no idea what they are buying won't realize it's a trap.
You serious? You think there marketing to skateboarders..... its a stand alone unit. Owns the s4 and vcicause they require a laptop and don't use recordboxQuote:
Originally Posted by DJDoubleYou
Its not just a controller though - thats the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJDoubleYou
Sure it can be used as one (mentions midi and HID with traktor), but the primary focus is on laptop-less DJ'ing with their Rekordbox software running on mobile devices and creating sets which could then be transferred into a club Environment without any extra prep work.
I imagine whatever new line of pro controllers they are working on will be a step up in quality with the same mobile device workflow which IMHO is seriously fucking awesome.
Essentially with this unit you are getting 2 modernized 350's with a DJM250 + Mobile App device control and no-need for a laptop when gigging.
No i'm not into skateboarding. However I am into streamlining my workflow, which includes ditching my laptop at gigs and being able to work from an iPad for Prepwork, and This seems like a major step in the right direction. I've been pretty vocal about the usage of Mobile devices for just this purpose for a while now. Especially on the Denon thread where I feel they dropped the ball again with keeping the laptop as necessary for ipad control.
No, I may not use wifi at a gig (lets see how it works first), but their is USB as an option as well so its really no biggie, like I said its all going to depend on the buffer where it comes to wi-fi IMHO.
Where's the Trap ?
The newbies will be able to walk into a club and plug in using the exact same system they used at home.
Just like newbies used to be able to walk into a club and use a pair of technics after playing for hours on end with their own Gemini/Kam etc....Doing this with CDJ's was just never cost effective enough IMHO and the workflow varied too much from CDJ to CDJ.
wait what ? no one sees the real potencial of this? its a sandalone unit. You are a touring DJ that DJ's on CDJ's DJM's already using recordbox. You put this little unit in your travling bag. siting waiting in a hotel room fire it up put in the USB thump you use at gigs play around. you back home hoock up the Aero to you home computer and can controll your Reckordbox withour the mouse set up you next set you want to play. You turn up at a club that has no recordbox compatable equiptment? no prob hook up the Aero stick in the Thump drive and rock away. Ohoo did I say all this is without even using WIFI. now add all the differant case uses when WIFI is used.
NO LAPTOP REQUIRED at the gig people. That's a gamechanger. Load up the USB stick and go.
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Yep I did back on page #1 :PQuote:
Originally Posted by dj gullum
^ yes that is why...and i admit i do dread the price & moaned about it being 'gimmicky' before actually reading the specs.
but after understanding this is a standalone media player, my interest starts to build up...
You don't even need to load your USB stick, you can play directly from your mobile device and view waveforms, load tracks etc from the bigger screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by loverocket
Yes i'm psyched about the potential if you haven't guessed :thumbup: espessially on whatever pro-range they are working on.
definitely and interesting concept, and im gonna watch this tech grow and expand and probably effect the way we all dj, but for the price of it I just can't convince myself when im already working on my second setup. It looks like a more serious Ergo, and it will probably be pretty successful.
Guys, the marketing idea behind this is multi-faceted.
It's meant as a backup system for guys that use rekordbox on 2000's.
It's also meant for kids who don't know what they're doing, who will buy it for the gimmick.
Personally, I think the design is terrible, and the wifi idea is just gimicky and stupid, but the idea of an all-in-one standalone system for people that already use rekordbox, is a good one.
That being said... Standalone all-in one's have always looked like the dorkiest gear option in the world to me when they're on stage. WAYYY worse than having a laptop and an all-in-one controller. It literally looks like you're up there using a toy.... I always think of those silly twin ipod DJ things.
I don't predict this product doing very well, but it is a good idea as a backup system for guys who tour and use 2000's with rekordbox.
Yes, $1000 is slightly overpriced. I'd put this at $800. $700 if it didn't have the stupid wireless gimmick.
wow if this was priced a bit cheaper (and replaceable crossfaders) we might have a winner!
There's some irony in it, isn't it? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by loverocket
I personally like it a lot. I have an S2 and don't like really playing out with it. I have 2000s and prefer playing out with those if possible.
To me the no laptop, no cds thing is awesome. This thing and a USB drive and you are set. If you want to hook up a laptop you, if not you can actually just beat match off a thumb drive. Depending how well the wireless thing works it could go over really well. I mean I'm sure you just upload the track in to the device, and once its stored in the internal memory playback is fine.
To me it would be awesome if it let you wireless create a playlist that is uploaded into the controller, as one track finishes the other uploads so download times over wi-fi are minimal. I personally like it a lot. I was considering a VCI-400, but this takes the cake to me.
I would be a little scared using this outside the bedroom. The fact that music is streamed (via wireless) to the device and not pushed could lead to disasters.
Can see it now some 14 year old weenie fuzzing your wireless at a live show and deliberately crashing the wireless. Heck I would bet fuzzing the Pioneer itself would lead to a bunch of very nasty bugs. Sorry if this is a bit geeky but I wouldn't trust it one bit when you have an audience.
and you would trust that live at a gig wirelessly? I wouldn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by deevey
More importantly I would not trust the people AT the gig in the audience. Only takes one person with half a brain to do some serious damage via wireless connection.Quote:
Originally Posted by brichi
yup, that too, I am sure though there has to be an "accept device" feature on the controller
Doesn't matter. All someone would have to do is break the WEP or WPA2 encryption and then you can start torturing the device remotely since it will have a IP address. Heck you could even play games with station de-auth.Quote:
Originally Posted by brichi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxZWLNDAk8k
Understood but some of your are missing the point. Regardless if there is a password if you can get on to the wireless network you can wreak serious havoc. Just look at the tricks that are pulled during defcon and any other major computer security conference.
I thought it was hilarious when Mark from DJWorx mentioned someone will actually end up making tiesto play Scatman - it could be done if someone wants to put in the time (and granted Tiesto used this unit).
Guess my point is use the USB if you are going to play out with this device.
Wifi use in clubs and noisy stages -- major disaster area.
Just a wifi blocker/scrambler would suffice. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GeekGod
Yeah that as well. Such a scary situation in my head knowing the tools that are out there now.Quote:
Originally Posted by tekki
I'm not really sure why everyone is getting all up in arms about the wifi? You create an ad hoc network and hook to it. Its not like freaking starbucks wi-fi. How many people have we seen play out with Ipads already using Touch-ocs over an ad-hoc network on huge massive gigs? The technology is there and its proven to be fairly stable. Lemur does the same thing, over wi-fi, sending signals to control music. I mean a ton of major artist use that and trust wi-fi ad hoc networks.
Same situation - I could run a number of utilities on a ad-hoc network and de-auth the stations and do all kinds of other damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by guiltyblade
I've honestly been wondering why there HAVEN'T been any well-known cases of wireless controllers being tampered with. it's DEFINITELY possible, and not that difficult. Also, it's said that the music will be STREAMED, not pushed. If there's momentary interference for a control surface, nothing terrible happens. if there's momentary interference of a steam, EVERYTHING stops. No matter what kind of buffer they try to put on it, this is still an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by guiltyblade
Wifi is a TERRIBLE idea for DJing on a large scale in general, IMO. When you're on stage for thousands of people, on a rider which lets you request whatever you want, not having to plug in a cable or two is NOT worth the inherent risk of failure.
If they were really intent on doing wireless, they should have put a large hard drive in it, and just made it work on a file sync system. It would have accomplished the same goals, for not much more money, and without the horrible risk.
Yep, very well said and relays my concerns with Wifi usage during live DJ sets. It would be fine for bedroom DJs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saurus
but you are using touch midi to control lets say serato, if you do lose the network for a quick second it doesnt effect the audio, just the control, serato will still play fine if the wireless goes down, with the AERO controller, the audio is streaming wirelessly so if the wireless does blip for a second or 2, you lose the audio, not a good ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by guiltyblade
For one knowone would use this at a big event its meant for personal use, if you use it out, use usb. Not a big deal, the wi-fi is for certain situations.
Secondly most clubs are full of drunk partiers, not hacking nerds with a vendetta to ruin the party lol. If they do, switch to usb problem solved.
Exactly - if you aren't comfortable you have the option of plugging into usb insteadQuote:
Originally Posted by verko
It takes a particular setup (Wireless cards that allow packet injection if I remember right) to crack the network in the first place, plus a reasonably powered laptop (not a phone or tablet) and a fair bit of know how to do this correctly.Quote:
Secondly most clubs are full of drunk partiers, not hacking nerds with a vendetta to ruin the party lol. If they do, switch to usb problem solved.
Seriously do you think theres gonna be that many white flower Vans parked outside venues with 3 or 4 nerds inside trying to De-Auth and Fuck up a DJ's set ?
If you think there will be - use the USB port instead.
Yeah, as a CDJ user, it's the USB slot that's really interesting. The wireless is a cool proof of concept, but not an instant professional standard.
I'm still not seeing quite how this could be implemented in a high end setup yet... The high end players and mixers already network, is wireless really that much of an improvement? And I'm still laughing at people who're calling a media free CDJ: the cue points saved on the very first CDJ-1000 still loads on a brand new CDJ-2000, and the entire cue/loop system works fundamentally the same. Why would they seriously drop the media on their flagship player.
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Originally Posted by deevey
Completely false, this could be done with a phone just as easily as a laptop. And we were mostly talking about large events... Top-tier stuff. Wireless would be fine for low-end stuff, but there is still that risk of someone specifically just wanting to fuck with you.... Why not just plug in a goddamn cable?
This supports my summation that the wireless is a gimmick for newbies, and the rest of it is intended as a backup system for CDJ2000 rekordbox guys, who aren't at a point yet where all of their events will have CDJs 2000's set up for them.
It would take a company with the clout in the industry like Pioneer for CD's to be dropped from players, but mark my words I believe that day is coming.Quote:
And I'm still laughing at people who're calling a media free CDJ: the cue points saved on the very first CDJ-1000 still loads on a brand new CDJ-2000, and the entire cue/loop system works fundamentally the same. Why would they seriously drop the media on their flagship player.
I only know a handful of DJ's who use the CD drive for anything more than either timecode or USB/MP3 anyhow - if they had the option of leaving their laptop off the stage i think they would relish it.
Please enlighten me ...Quote:
Completely false, this could be done with a phone just as easily as a laptop.
Exaclty the option is there, for fucking around in a hotel room, on the throne, or in the studio though less wires is better IMHO.Quote:
Why not just plug in a goddamn cable?
The same can be said about these guys like hawtin and whatever using ipads to sync up and play, if the ad hoc get screwed with someone could literally do anything and control the set.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saurus
I'm not saying wifi is a great idea, but it isn't terrible either. Its been being used for sometime now, it just so happens someone wants to stream that music now too.