Traktor Scratch Poor (a.k.a. Ghetto Timecode Control)

The pirated verson doesn't (and shouldn't, _EVER_) have more functionality...... except in this one (edge) case. Sucks, but couldn't be easier for NI to fix (at least in OSX, I forgot how ASIO's routing works, been away from Windows for too long :P).

Bento: Right ON! It's all in the details, how NI actually implements it.... I don't care that I have to use my Audio 8, I love my Audio 8, pry it from my cold, dead hands! Just don't check for the device name of the driver, check for the box instead :p

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Originally Posted by BentoSan

To be honest we don't make much money off those firmware update kits at all, its mostly provided as a service to the community. So if someone was to work out a way how to update the device without a USB kit we would be glad to encourage that people use the hacked way provided it was as stable as our firmware update kits.
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Fair dos. Bad example but you get my drift.

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Originally Posted by insurgentdjs

Adding a little piece of functionality to drivers that you _NEED_ NI hardware hooked up to use (combined with the closing of said loophole) is NI's perfect TSP anti-piracy solution.

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I agree that more options and more functionality would be a good thing for legit users. The problem NI has is opening the functionality of the Audio 8 drivers may cause issues that are out of NIs control.
This is why they wont support multiple soundcards.

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Originally Posted by insurgentdjs

P.S.: I'm not asking for some magic midi/osc-synched bridge between any 2 particular programs, just the ability to route Traktor's audio out to somewhere more useful. The magic comes when people start using it ;)

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OSC is the way forward. Theres a discussion of this at NI and many people are hoping that this is reintroduced .

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Originally Posted by insurgentdjs

P.P.S: Sorry for calling you a troll

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No worries.


I should probably say that Im may have come across as a little smug in my 2nd post.
I dont take any satisfaction at all if this has prevented any legit users from doing anything .

I do take satisfaction if i have helped stop some software piracy.
Ive made my opinion on software piracy well known. My views have always been my views long before my NI involvement. I voiced this on the NI forum years ago.
I know that when i speak people think im talking with my NI hat on.
I dont represent NI on this forum. I represent me.
It would have been remiss of me not to do something that damages the company whos software i chose to use nearly 6 years ago and i know that many many legit users share my view.
This loophole is not popular with the user base.

Im a Traktor DJ first and foremost. Id give up my work with NI in a heartbeat if i had to so i could continue using Traktor. (why that would happen i dont know).
If peeps think im a snake in the grass, i ask , would i be so vocal. No id sneek around.
If peeps are angry and want to direct it at me (misguidedly) fair dos, ill continue to help with people Traktor queries cus that what i like to do.

Peas

K

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Originally Posted by insurgentdjs

Just don't check for the device name of the driver, check for the box instead :p

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If that would work then that would be good.
ill forward that as a suggestion for legit users if you could outline the legit usage case (in laymans terms) just so i get it cus i dont use Ableton.

K

Sorry for the delay, I lost a 3-paragraph post w/ outline due to a browser crash, here's the TextEdit V2, with 99% more bling! Forget I even said anything about Ableton, that was actually a poke @ The Bridge, which is just… routing + gui :p Also, don't worry about multiple soundcards w/ timecode, that's not the idea. The idea is that for timecode, you need an NI Audio Interface, and I completely agree, that's the way it should work :) Here I will outline the 2 ways I see to Skin The Cat, and under that, I will explain the use case in layman's terms. Here we go!

I. In-Driver Routing for NI Audio X Interfaces (extra button on Audio2/4/8 Control Panel that mimics Jack/JackOSX)
A. Pros
a. Allows a user to route audio/midi between any app to their little heart's content
b. Doesn't require change in Traktor protection, or a change in any NI program, ever! (Cue the TSP works with _anything_, Serato only works with Live! , arguments)
c. NI are seen as the heroes that they are

B. Cons
a. Requires code being added to the Audio 2/4/8 Drivers, although that code could easily be shared between all 3 devices' drivers

II. Changing Traktor's Protection to Check for Presence of NI Audio 2/4/8 _Without_ Checking Name of Audio Driver (possibly by checking if USB ID Matching NI Audio Device is Plugged In)

A. Pros
a. Allows a user to use JackOSX/ Jack for win32 to route audio while still having timecode control
b. Should be simple to implement…. but it gets hairy, keep reading ;)

B. Cons

a. Jack for win32 is not as mature or stable as Jack in OSX (from what I've read anyway)…
b. This "fix" directly involves the software's protection. The quicker (or more simple, as per above) the protection is implemented (and since NI can't do an iLOK-type dongle using only the Audio 2/4/8 since they have no flash memory), the easier it will be to crack. Also, it would probably make sense to change the protection slightly, release a new ver of TSP, write the In-Driver Routing, release a new ver of TSP + Drivers, and _THEN_ implement a crazy-assed protection that the crackers give up on, from a programming standpoint. But I guess if that were the case, just fix the drivers and then add protection, skip an interim "Piracy Patch" and get the routing out the door, before Serato gets some more sales….


For use cases, replace Logic w/ favorite DAW

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DJ TastyCakes makes beats in Renoise and bounces them to tracks in Logic for mastering and scratches. He routes TSP's outputs to Logic's inputs, and starts recording on a 2nd track. When it's time to scratch, Logic records his scratches on track 2, and he has a complete song.
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Use Case: Experimental DJ Version : Live ------

Mitchie Rawtin has a few tricks up his sleeve to make sure _whatever_ he plays has the perfect sound in any club… that nobody can duplicate. He routes TSP into its own track and then adds a few AU effects, even Reaktor 5 effects to the track that is receiving TSP's audio. He can record his set live if he wants to, within Logic, but he doesn't even have to. Since he's running TSP - > Logic -> Out , all the clubbers hear is the realtime version with AU FX :)

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Use Case: DJ With External Sampler (AIRHORNS!!!!!!!)-----

I like to use airhorns. A lot. I think it's an art to trigger airhorns and drops in time with the mix _while_ mixing, scratching, and beat-juggling. I also like to record my sets, and a perfectly-timed air-horn is one of those things you want to capture as it happens, not fake and re-record later. I route TSP to Logic, record Traktor on 1 track, and record my airhorns on track 2. I throw down and wild out, and it's _all_ there. NOTE: This also applies, and is VERY IMPORTANT for DJs that talk (and even use FX on their voice in realtime!!) while DJ'ing, think outside electronic music (you see it a _lot_ with Reggae DJs). A microphone can even be plugged into the A8, put on Track 3, and recorded in realtime as well, or any other number of instruments (think recording Traktor + band, live jam sessions, etc)
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Use Case: Ableton and Traktor User

NI's answer to The Bridge… well, somewhat. They're not going to get Ableton's support (as it's not in Serato's interest), but they can at least interoperate. User A routes TSP to Ableton, and records his scratched sample to a clip (or an infinite number of clips). The backwards end of The Bridge doesn't matter, if you want to play an ableton set in TSP, bounce it to mp3 first :p

Hope this helps, and thanks for being open-minded guys :)

P.S. If this gets pushed through, I'll do the DJTT write-up for OSX. It is truly my only beef with this BEAUTIFUL program, and with Serato jacking 4 decks, FX, _and_ sync, I'd like to help my favorite developers in the world keep ahead. Traktor/NI for the win!

Thanks for the explanation. I know just who to take this to.

Also thanks for being a 'good sport' as the English say.
Like ive said NI were always gonna patch out the loophole in fact the OP even says this in one of his earliest posts so no functionality has been lost by legit users that they werent gonna lose anyway in the interest of software piracy and hardware protection.
Im not sure if NI are aware of the legit usage cases but they will now.

Ill let you know what/if NI have anything to say.

For my part im now gonna back out of this thread. I only entered it because people are still trying to use cracks and loopholes.

I think its better to be up front about the loophole. If people know its gone they may think twice about relying on torrent downloads and buy Traktor.
If they do ill be the first to offer any help if needed.:)

Hey guys,

found that thread in google, and its possible to run timecodes on non Traktor Hardware?

Yes it is!

theres a little how to:

First make shure you have an ASIO soundcard with 4x4 in/outs working.

You go to start-> Run

type in "regedit" and confim
Now will open Registry Editor.

follow this string:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE -> SOFTWARE -> ASIO

Now you have a selection of folders that are named like your sound card.

in my case that it´s BCA2000 Behringer USB interface was.

You make a right click on your sound card driver / folder and rename it to "Audio 8 DJ",
is this done, click into that folder and you can find various listings of names and values.

Your search for the name "Description" if this is not already created or you have to add it so:

(You go into the "ASIO" flodder that you renamed "8 DJ Audio" and go into the right field, make a right click -> New> String Value. name This key "Description")

Do you have the key / value found or created, then you make a right click -> "Edit."
It opens a small window, you give below a value "Audio 8 DJ" and confirmed.

Is all this done you close the Editor and open Tractor Pro, in the audio settings you see now a "Audio 8 DJ",first this will not work but , select your Directsound audio device from the device list [in my case BCA2000 (Direct Sound]) so that you get sound, then change to the "Audio 8 DJ."

Now you should run your tractor Pro vinyl with your time code as the "Audio 8 DJ.



Video Proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3KpepEgwuM



Give feedback whether this will work with you.

PS: if someone who's good on the Mac and its able to do that on OSX post it!!

What kind of feedback are you looking for?

...? :confused: here we go again!

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Originally Posted by Pet

Give feedback whether this will work with you.

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It's not working for me. I think it might be my ethics drivers or maybe my morals cache is corrupting it.

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Originally Posted by photojojo

It's not working for me. I think it might be my ethics drivers or maybe my morals cache is corrupting it.

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I got nothing to add to this... Love.

@jesc lol, I ain't gonna start on this. It's old news.