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a) it's easier to map simple/direct things in live but not all traktor's commands are displayed in the UI (ie: reverse playback)Quote:
Originally Posted by mostapha
b) what about output mapping, modifiers?
traktor shows it's strength with complex maps
i wasn't implying that you put a bit of mayonaise on the story.. i was implying that they did in what they were telling you.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtianw
i have a feeling they are doing a bit of an apple... selling their product to wholesalers at an extreme markup, maximising their own profits. not unlike apple (i think retailers only make about 9-10% profit selling macbooks for example)
its called marketing
i hate to do this but...Quote:
Originally Posted by josh@firestorm
*citation needed*
im sorry, but your imagination isnt enough for me to go on.
guys really. wtf? you guys will make up the most unbelivable shit about anyone that isnt NI.
what did someone at serato skullfuck everyones mother and you guys just dont want to talk about it?
honestly, i really dont get. i really dont.
Thanks man!Quote:
Originally Posted by xtianw
I enjoy djing. I don't give a rats ass if it's on SSL, TSP, or CDs on a numark mix station.
The software doesn't make you a better DJ, it's the person behind the decks!
Lulz. I maintain that I'm more afraid of trusting NI than several other companies. I trust them more than Stanton and Gemini at this point, but that might be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtianw
this is really off topic, but…Live's midi feedback works fine for everything I've wanted except VU meters, and you don't have to map it. It just happens. And there's not a lot you can't do with Live's UI, unlike Traktor's that has a bunch of hidden features. Plus, if you really want to get complicated, there's a Python API for scripting anything that Live can do including mapping controls to values that can't be mapped and adding functionality to controllers.Quote:
Originally Posted by padi_04
And Traktor doesn't even make it remotely obvious how to enable soft takeover. How the hell do you use modifiers without that?
Anyway…back to the original topic……umm……chef.
if you're serious about your trade, you'll respectfully tell such people to fuck off; works for me. but then I don't really make my living as a DJ so I can afford to show a little more self-respect which, from a lower angle, is usually perceived as arrogance.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtianw
which is why you don't upgrade your software right before a gig and bring a backup laptop.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtianw
a good DJ will rock a set on a pair of belt-driven noname turntables if need be. but "exactly the same set" - never.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtianw
you have to go to little cave on a night when jesc is having issues with gear. trust me, hes seen them all and again trust me. at the cave he plays exactly the same kind of set, every sunday because thats what that place requires. any deviation from that formula and the bartenders end up standing still looking at the dj going wtf? because everyone left.
very tempermental clientelle there.
simple formula 2 CDJ's, DJM-700, TSP + Audio 8 & 1 USB cable held together with 80s, Indie, Spanish Rock with a sprinkle of Ska or Punk Rock.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtianw
Doesn't happen if you don't upgrade. With the exception of server and security software…and OS upgrades now that I'm not using Pro Tools, software upgrades are rarely worth the trouble they cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtianw
For all those bitching about midi mapping in traktor my book on it is nearly complete. Duno if i will w8 till this release to change it. The evidence that ppl are being more creative with traktor is evident from youtube. Most serato djs i see around are fat middle ared men. But i do know some ppl doing some cool things with the bridge
people are being plenty creative on serato these daysQuote:
Originally Posted by tombruton69
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVcZDsK0yUE
pritty cool video. Its a novation promo, dj made a few mistakes fairly complex routeen tho. I looked to find good vids on serato b4 posting that obv didnt look hard enough. both software have there pros and im not saying one is better than the other is one really worth that much more tho. And the comment about 2 companies splitting the profit is a good comment
whats so creative about cue point juggling and scratching?Quote:
Originally Posted by xtianw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8eB83axVvw
THATS being creative. Using effects and cue juggling slowing and speeding up a song. Cue jugging and scratching is creatuve i guess for serato.
People seem to have some pretty skewed opinions here, Xtianw - you have it bang on the head in terms of their business model.
This thread is turning in to an opinionated yawn fest ... again.
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Originally Posted by xtianw
Am I the only person who's flat-out not impressed by either video? There's a lot of tricks, but the core set in both of them is seriously lacking. I'm aware that they were both done as an example of what could be done with the hardware, and it's impressive for the hardware and the obvious technical mastery of the DJs. But, I'll never be convinced that technical mastery without artistry is impressive, and I'll never be convinced that even trade-show sets should be able to get away with a lack of artistry.Quote:
Originally Posted by BennyJ
When it comes to the artistic elements, I don't think one system really shines over the other. By that, I mean that for what I value, Traktor barely edges out SSL because of two seldom-used features: beats to cue and the key knob. The latter makes many discussions of harmonic mixing moot. The former–used correctly–is a tremendous aid in phrasing. You can do without the feature, as DJs have been doing at least since the first disco records were pressed and composers were doing long before that. But it is–to my knowledge–unparalleled in the modern DJ world. It's like having sheet music that you can write one song before it matters and that persists if you want it to.
Depending on the style of music, I think that Beats to Cue and SSL's better Loop Roll (I'm aware of Beatmasher and doubles hacks) can almost cancel out, so I call it a wash. If you're either stricter or more lenient about Harmonic Mixing, then it comes down to UI, which is a preference…and I think SSL wins hands down if you're using CDJ or Vinyl control and Traktor wins hands-down if you're using controllers.
It should be obvious where my chips fall, though I do kinda want an SL4.
I dont get what ur saying at all. Artistry?
Some good thoughts and discussion in this thread. Here's my 2:
I have no deep seeded allegiance to Serato but I started using it because it was sort of an "industry standard" when I was DJing every weekend maybe a year ago. A lot of the clubs I was playing in had 57's or serato boxes built into the booth. And many of the DJ's I played with were using Serato as well. At the time it was sort of impractical to want to hook up a separate interface. Serato was successful in establishing themselves early on in the working DJ game and their proprietary hardware did well to keep them at the top of that market.
I think that's changing now. A lot of people are adopting controllers and alternative setups to the clubs turntables and with a midi controller comes some flexibility to what software you rock so it's great people can customize their setup to their heart's content. As a working DJ though it's often your job to play what people want to hear and to do it in the most effective AND creative way possible. For many that means getting behind a software that costs more and is a little more closed off.