I'll let you know when I've had time to try it guys!
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I'll let you know when I've had time to try it guys!
Woot, just got an email this morning saying that my orders shipping today!
I would have got it sooner but I had a UDG bad in my order which they didn't have in stock, so I had to wait it out.
Not too long now! :p
Planning on ordering my Twitch in the coming days. CAN-NOT-WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!
would be pretty sick if novation made an X1 type controller with a touch strip
thats probs the only thing holding me back getting one
I'd keep my eye on novation over the next couple of years if I were you. For one thing I think the touchstrip has legs, and also I think they'll be looking to bring out smaller modular controllers.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanDerWAVY
I wouldn't be surprised if Itch moves more towards a full SSL look with more effects etc, opening up the avenue for an X1-type effects controller for Itch that would be a kind of Twitch add-on.Quote:
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
I just wish they'd allow midi mapping for extra controllers. Sigh. At least the SP-6 should be mappable soon.
Gents, some feedback on the headphone output would be great:)
Is it loud enough? For me the S4 running of USB is too quiet, so I'm a tad concerned:eek:
Thanks!
I would appreciate if any of the lucky ones who already received their units would share their opinion of the usability of Twitch with Traktor. I am using Traktor on my gigs and was waiting to see what the big surprise from NI would be. Now when I saw the S2 unit, I am considering getting Novation Twitch even more (to use it with Traktor of course). Tha or two Faderfox DJ3 units.
Looks nice but my S4 looks nicer :p
edit: Still I would LOVE to try this piece of equipment for couple of days ;) Im sure those how get it will be pretty happy with their new piece of gear.
unpacked twitch few hours ago, impressed so far!
Iv come from a ableton live dj setup using apc40 so this is a big jump but im really enjoying beat matching and going back to two deck mixing
will write more when iv had a few days with it
Im thinking about and not order my twitch anymore, you must check the Novation Twitch Serato Forum, a lot of people complaining about the lower output of twitch, and even workin with a mixer together it must gain the volume on mixer at MAXIMUM and even that is much lower than Cdjs, or other setups using sound cards, or S4.....
This is complete SHAME ! novation must recall all twitchs if they dont want their producut became a total FIASCO
While that is a bit lame I'm not sure I see that as a problem big enough to stop you from buying it. I mean just turn up the amp/the gain on the mixer, right?
Tha's will be a problem imagine if you will play before other dj with other setup, and your sound is much lower than this before you, and even increasing the gain on mixer even TO THE MAXIMUM total Red, the sound is lower.. and more, if you will play in a gig that dont have a mixer and must plug your twitch directly ? it's will be a big problem...Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Novation had to recall this product, this dont sound not professional for me...
That's not even slightly true, you'll be able to get to the same volume through the mixer. The only way you couldn't is if he's clipping hugely which would make you sound better than him. You will be able to reach 0db on the mixer.
I guarantee you this equipament will will be a Fiasco ! this problem is a worst thing to be happening with a pro control, and this is happening, okay it will be a toy, but for pros, it will be a total fiasco !
Im talking about people who will import this equiapament in Brasil and they are very worry about this, and thinking about in not do the imports because this product already bad talked in other countrys, because of this problem with output lower
I eeven talked with Lopazz on facebook right now and he says to me that novation told to him that the final product is will be much louder that your pre releases product, but this is not happening the final product have the problem that he warned to novation.
You must check the discussion in Serato Forum on the section Novation Twitch on the forum, and you will be a solid discussion about this poblem, include the Novation/Serato explain about that..
You guarantee? Are there more issues than just the output level?
JUST the output level ????
Man this is terrible, is much lower of even all other pro controllers on the market
But what actual effect does this have on how you use it? I'm not seeing the issue here. You're going to be routing it into a mixer in a club situation and then you just turn up the gain a touch as you do with a quiet track or whatever.
You could mix back to back with someone using CDJ1000s and there would be no change in volume at all throughout the set if you manage your levels correctly, which you should as a DJ.
This is not a little thing, in Brasil maybe we have a 3 or 4 persosn they have this product, this people but the twitch in other countrys and brought to brazil, and i talkin with one of these yesterday a few hours, and he decides not use Twitch in Public because this problem, Okay Lopazz use this on D-edge a super club in Brazil, but not all the gigs of the most djs will be on D-EDGE you know, if you have to plug the twitch directly or even using the twitch on mixer in other clubs with not a perfect sound system with a engenirng behind, i will be a big problem...
You have to increase the gain volume on the mixer so much you know ? to the twitch had a sound considerable good...
Can you please explain how this will be a big problem? I've already pointed out a solution and it's something you *should* be doing every time regardless of what you're routing into a mixer.
Because you have to increase do much the gain o the mixer that make CLIP you know ?
No, you don't. You use the gain to raise it to 0db on the mixer. If you need to clip it to match other DJs it means they are *ALSO* clipping. If they are also at 0db on the mixer you will be exactly as loud as them.
man my english is not very good so i will put here the link of the arguments on the serato forum about people with make pro use with twitch but they are very dispaoointed http://serato.com/forum/discussion/507773#new
I understand the problem, and I assure you, this is not an issue in a standard club setting.
Unless I'm missing something, I don't believe I am... Anyone else have something to input?
Sorry i send the wronk link discussion, check this http://serato.com/forum/discussion/511641#newQuote:
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
In this last link have the argument that i tryn tell for you...
Yeah I'm agreeing with Novation's Neil Marron here. Audio quality is much more important and it's not so quiet it becomes an actual problem.
you just read the novations argument...
Nonnus 7:49 AM 25 August 2011
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firstly: audio seem way too low. I went with the booth pout, and apart from being quiet low i n output, there is also a fair amount of noise
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I think the only real problem in Twitch is the soundcard. At first, I thought the unit was broken, as the output volume was apparently 1/10th the NS7's. The sound has a "boxy" quality, too
fully agree regarding the low level but cant say i noticed too much noise even at 100% master gain (is there any other with twitch...) or such boxy sound, but i will compare its sound with alternatives i have around like vci 300 or audiofire4 (this one kills twitch and vci regarding level, i already tried to use it as amp but found it to be noisy on the inputs)
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I really don't undersrand how DJ blogs reviewers could have overlooked this huge "con".
right on the spot, i think that, as usual, they never point the problems they find because they fear they will not get further gear from that manufacturer if they publicly report any problems
(makes little sense to send any pre production units to such ppl then, but what do i know...)
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rly fun to play with... but thats just what it is... a toy
this is the real shame of the situation,
it could indeed be a revolutionary product that seems to have been purposely crippled (serato.com)
one possible workaround that could actually provide some benefits is this pre amp another user mentioned (serato.com) but besides not being cheap at all it also diminishes the lighter portability of an all-in-one box
Nonnus 7:23 PM 26 August 2011 it also seems you have confused the demand for a "high quality audio output" with "we dont care if audio level is so low we have to raise gains along the signal path to a point where sound fidelity is basically lost"
you need to keep in mind that you, novation,
are the newcomers to the digital dj arena,
you dont set any references, you follow them and only then you try to innovate where u can but without compromising on any critical issues as you just did on this product
the "the guys you're making this gear for" are complaining en masse about this product subpar audio output, you should think about this instead of feeding us empty boilerplate arguments
No, I read it all. The only issue I see is the one tymon brought up, competing with people who are in the reds... Eh, I'm not sure there. Personally I'd want to bring it back down out the reds anyway. I don't know, clipping is bad. Your choice I guess.
-3db isn't much. My inputs are often -3db or more, I just turn it up a little with the gain knob. Mixers have gain knobs for this exact situation. Hell you get 30db to play with on the gain knobs on my mixer.
Well, play after a dj with a SL and Rane, or Cdjs and Mixer in a club, and try compensate your lower output on the mixer gain... maybe you will have a surprise
But I have done this, with various different input sources, it works fine....
What's the suprise?
Maybe you sounds dont came so loud in comparable with other djs before you with different setups, if yes maybe you must cliping to compensate...
I don't think you understand how clipping works...
This lower output, is becasue Twitch dont have a power supply, even the novation guys say that, this happen because the supply is via USB... check it out the argument of this man..
[O/][iii][O/] 5:22 PM 27 August 2011 I'll tell you where else this bit about most won't be connecting direct to powered speakers doesn't hold water - Twitch was designed WITH a separate booth monitor output and control. So you know it's going to be ran in many cases without any other signal boosting device in the chain. Duh. I mean kudos for including the separate outputs/control (it was a huge selling point actually) but now it's practically unusable and don't go and say it wasn't really intended/considered to run direct to powered speakers. And to add insult to injury, even WHEN connected to an outboard mixer the signal isn't hot enough without destroying the signal quality. Christ on a bike already, all this just for skimping on a damn power supply. Hell, Novation could've just made the power supply an optional accessory if penny pinching was needed. Just put a damn receptacle on it.
I'm so pissed.
The sound engineer's trap door is triggered whenever someone touches the gain knobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Seriously though, trying to explain to this dude is a lost cause.