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I havent read all the posts so far, but here's my 2p, i built a hack OSx so i can do some mac stuff and pc stuff, not have two machines and not pay over the odds for the same components.
When I gig, its windows XP i use on an old acer, has never let me down and has 4 usb ports, cost £400 some 6 years ago.
A pal of mine just bough a mac, cost him €1600, looks and feels lovely, beautiful screen,
responsive, I'm not so keen on the new keyboard and track pad but the magnetic latch is cool. I wont ever buy one, mainly cause it only has 2 usb ports, yeah you could add a powered hub but really, 2 ports for that much cash is a shocking oversight.
i think macs need to step back form the designer looks and rebalance the form/ function equation. but for my money, a dell off the osX86 list is a more usable buy, simply because of connectivity. And lets be honest, usb ports are cheap, and macs arent.
Could you dual boot a hackintosh? Win 7 on one partition, OSx on the other?
A lot of people think that it's the software that makes the apple computers run so much smother particularly with our DJ software and that is true but what's more important is the hardware. Traktor or Ableton or any program for that matter is much much more stable on mac because when your coding for a mac you know exactly what type of hardware your dealing with and your list of variables is very small. When dealing with a Pc/Hackintosh your dealing with an almost incalculable amount of hardware configurations that if your software doesn't play nice with "random company's" sound card plus there drivers well that's very low on there list of things to fix. With Apple products they have a very limited list of all the possible parts in all of there computers so if something doesn't play nice it's a much smaller fix.
Yes running OS X may make traktor run smother but OS X itself would be unstable on a Hackintosh. You still can't be sure that all your hardware and drivers would play nice. Quite simply PCs are meant to be customized which is the number one thing I love about them macs are built to be stable workbenches which is what I love about them.
Just save your pennies and buy the Mac I promise you won't regret it. But don't get rid of that PC either you never know :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRdmAscQbDgQuote:
Originally Posted by bartboy
SCNR :D
Why does everyone turn this into a fanboy war there are reasons for both sides of the argument I thought most people on this forum were above the normal internet bullshit but obviously not.
yeah, but we also tend to behave like the sheeps on the video :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bartboy
it's not our fault, it's just marketing in action.
Cheers CtrlD! LOL!
Don't worry... when Apple buys Native Instruments they'll kill off PC support and we'll all be using macs... just like Logic.
Been using Traktor (in various versions) since about 2002/2003... (WITHOUT a hitch) and now I'm on TSP 1.27.
Keep up with the "it just works better on a mac" mentality!!
If I had a reason to switch (other than being afraid of getting flamed at gigs for not having a mac in front of other DJs - like someone who shall remain nameless) then I would.
The hype machine would have you believe that Traktor (or any DJ software) is nothing but problems on anything but a mac. PSSSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!
I bet this thread can hit 10 pages by next Tuesday... I love it!
+1 for macs
+1 for PCs
keep going... it never gets old :D
It got a good bit smaller in 10.6. I'm going to reformat to get rid of my Ubuntu partition soon, so I'll see how big I can get it…but 14GB isn't possible. I'm not sure about 10, but i'll try.Quote:
Originally Posted by nem0nic
How many average windows users have a clue what you're talking about there? Suffice it to say that unless you're talking about a live cd, I can do the same thing with OS X. It won't fit on a CD, but…I also can't imagine using that in a booth. I also can't imagine needing it considering what my computer's been through and that the 2 times it wouldn't boot were my fault and were serious changes that I knew to test before relying on it.
So, what's the problem? Patches/Updates come out for software all the time? Why is this a big deal? Just because microsoft prefers to leave vulnerabilities open and not patch anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by nem0nic
I don't have a problem with it being marginally harder. I don't have a problem with it requiring torx drivers. Why does it have to be easier than that? Also, who doesn't own torx drivers that deserves to be able to upgrade a computer? Seriously…I know you know what you're doing…but for everyone else…learn what you're doing and develop or acquire the tools to do it. I've seen too many people f*** up a HDD or RAM install to think it should be any easier than Apple makes it.Quote:
Originally Posted by nem0nic
"Normal" people should not take their computers apart. They also shouldn't have root access. If they want it, they should learn how to get it.
Find a store from your zip code. Follow the obvious links to the genius bar. You sign up for an appointment, and they tend to not get too far behind. If you wait more than a few minutes, it's because you're too dumb to sign up online.Quote:
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Have you ever been to a Genius Bar?Quote:
Originally Posted by nem0nic
They do repairs. And, they do them quickly. The longest round-trip to a depo I've even heard about was 4 days, only the computer technically never came back…the guy just got a new one with his drive cloned onto it.
Where does this come from?Quote:
Originally Posted by nem0nic
Apples come with a 1-year warranty for free just like every other damn computer maker. You pay to extend it beyond that, just like everyone else.
And with Apple, you get a storefront to go to…that actually does repairs, regardless of someone who's never owned one claiming they don't. They don't do seriously intensive repairs like replacing system boards, but I've had damaged optical drives, keyboards, and case components replaced…while I waited or got coffee. I've been stuck there for a few hours, but every single repair to my thinkpads was measured in days. And Apple actually supports their software to a reasonable extent. At least once when I sent in my Thinkpad, it came back repaired but with the OS install fried. After talking to them, arguing with them, and–finally–yelling at them, I reinstalled and restored from a backup. Despite the fact that Apple does tell people to run backups before they come in, they don't pull shit like that.
Most other companies provide mail-in service (Dell, IBM, and Lenovo in my personal experience, though it's dated) that takes forever. And they charge to extend it beyond a year just like Apple does. The Dell I just configured on their website costs as much as a comparable MacBook and does have in-home service…after dealing with people on the phone for damn ever…and costs almost as much as Apple Care to extend. Where's the value, again? Or do I just suck at buying Dells somehow?
I'm also assuming everyone else's remote diagnosis people haven't gotten better since I last called them in 2004 before my last Dell warranty expired, but they'd have a lot of room to make up before they matched the average person at a Genius Bar…then again, maybe the Atlanta stores are anomalies. Most of the troubleshooting gets replaced by "what do you think is wrong with it?" once they realize I now what I'm doing, which usually takes about a minute.
I have never had an extended warranty for any computer (laptop, desktop, component…whatever) before my Apple. I always thought they were a scam. I never got anything out of any other warranty (RMAs from DOA hardware aside) except frustrated with people who worked for IBM or Dell and a new system board when IBM did the same thing you just made fun of Apple for doing. I pay for Apple's warranty, and that alone says something.
When my warranty finally expires next October, I'm going in on the last day and I will walk out of there with a new computer. If I get a free one because mine has some known issue I figure out before then, so be it. If I write them a check again, that's fine too. I use this computer daily and while I can make do with Ubuntu (or a hackintosh netbook), it's just not worth it. My time is worth a lot more than playing tech support all the time, which I have to do a LOT less now.
The core of the reason why I think Apples are worth the money…I can run real software, and I don't need windows.
There is no force on this planet that would make me run windows on a computer I own again. It's not worth it.
If Apples stopped existing and there wasn't good enough software for Linux…I'd quit DJing with my laptop before I'd use Windows.
I don't care.. no dancing baby, lightsaber kid, or "charlie bit my finger", can beat this type of entertainment...Quote:
Originally Posted by mostapha
the raw emotion is tops!
Keep 'em coming!!! hahaha!!