I just really don't want him to make a stupid decision about gear he might enjoy over a flaw that doesn't actually matter. :(
I think with how a lot of DJs crank the mixer a trap door like that might be handy :P
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I just really don't want him to make a stupid decision about gear he might enjoy over a flaw that doesn't actually matter. :(
I think with how a lot of DJs crank the mixer a trap door like that might be handy :P
is clearly this is a stupid error of Novation not introduce a power suply,, but lookin better this is not a error, this is the strategy to low de coasts, sell the equipament like Top quality using HYPED and MARKETING the product, but now the reality is camin, again... i guarantee this will be a total FIASCO product....
I have a Twitch. I also have an Audio 8, and Audio 2 and a Rane SL-2. First things first, yes, the sound card output is quieter than most. However, the other day I was spinning back to back with a good friend of mine at my place, I was using SSL with the SL-2 and he was using the twitch plugged into a 3rd channel of my DJM-800.
The output of the Twitch can easily be raised beyond 0dB and into the reds (not that this is a good idea of course) by means of the gain knob, and when raised to 0 and played at very high volume through both my pairs of studio monitors (AE22s and KRK RP5 G2s) there was absolutely no problem with noise.
I'm not saying this isn't an issue, but it certainly isnt a fiasco. Plugging straight into my KRKs using TRS cables gave me an adequate listening volume but nothing more, and I guess part of the target market for this controller is mobile DJs who might not have access to a mixer at certain venues, and this could be a problem for them.
Overall, chill out Disco420, it's a bit annoying but the world hasn't ended just yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U7Lqwl3VzkQuote:
Originally Posted by disco420
Thanks fullenglish, some first hand experience helps a lot here. :)
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Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
"" The output of the Twitch can easily be raised beyond 0dB and into the reds (not that this is a good idea of course) ""
"" I guess part of the target market for this controller is mobile DJs who might not have access to a mixer at certain venues, and this could be a problem for them. ""
For paying the high price of this equipament will be avaliable in Brasil, and with of these facts you said above, i guarantee this will be a fiasco here and a lot of countrys had this equiapment will be very high price
With these 2 facts that you say above, becames this equiapment definitly not a pro solution, and Novation/Serato sell this product like a pro solution, but had a lot of people makin a lot of noise about that, and in a fes mounths you will se much more discussion about that as this equiapment will be avaliabe world wide, and this will BLOW the Novation/Serato mind, and will be appologies and correct the error, you will see...
But it will work exactly the same in Brazil, why will it make a difference there when it does not in the UK?
Sigh. This thread has turned ridiculous.
Because here and a lot of 3rd wolrd countrys, the taxis are a very highest and dont compensate buy a gear pro with this problems with highest prices you know ?
But there is no effect on the performance. You're turning the gain up while with the S4 would would turn it down.
in a few mounths you will see this discussion will be very large, i sure that Novation/Serato's head is blowing right now...
I give up. This is nuts.
Man just talk with the people like the guy above telling about his back to back with your friend, and other guys that have the equipament and this is a problem for then, check out the serato's forum discussion, i 100% not will buy this equipament and my propaganda is for not buy for a pro solution, that no sense
He just said it isn't a problem.
It's not a problem.
I deal with this problem every single time I mix due to quiet tracks and vinyl.
It's one turn of a knob.
I must be getting trolled here.
This. I said the minor problem was solved by turning up the gain, and that you could in fact turn it up too far if you wanted to. Everybody chill the fuck out.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Fullengslishpint Says..
"" The output of the Twitch can easily be raised beyond 0dB and into the reds (not that this is a good idea of course) ""
"" I guess part of the target market for this controller is mobile DJs who might not have access to a mixer at certain venues, and this could be a problem for them. ""
So.. for me this raised Twitch beyond 0db and into the reds is a very terrible idea, for him is just not a good ideia, but the fact is, THIS IS A PROBLEM !
and yes the part of target market for this controllers is mobile djs who might not have acess to a mixer at certain venues, and this not could be a problem, THIS IS A PROBLEM !
And im not trolled nothing, i just here exposin my opinion about your thread that is WHO WANS ONE, and i sating that i NOT WANT ONE ANYMORE ! because this product in fact is not a pro solution, novation/serato are selling this like was, but is not, and my propaganda is to not buy this product for a pro soluction.
But then you just turn up the amp if you're plugging it directly in.
And mobile DJs won't be performing with random strangers so they won't find it hard to match the levels between them. Even if they did, mobile DJs are using their own system so they have total control over the levels. In that environment it's even less of an issue than in a club where the mixer is the only control you have over the sound system.
Sup.Quote:
Originally Posted by DigitalDevil 16 posts ago
No, I mean that with the gain knob on my DJM-800 I can raise the level on the DJM's VU meter into the reds if I so wish. The implication being that when an external mixer is involved, there's no volume problem whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by disco420
And mobile DJs will only have a problem if there isn't enough headroom in their PA system to turn the volume up at the amp/on the active speakers a bit.
whats you opinion about that man ?Quote:
Originally Posted by DigitalDevil
is hard for me explain in english some things i cant say, but if you guys can check the Serato Novation Twitch forum will be good to understand my point...
Dude, I don't need to check that forum, I have one sitting on my desk. And I'm telling you it's not that big a problem.
People are too quick to denounce things sometimes. Yes, the soundcard is quieter than others. Yes, it's still an awesome and innovative controller.
Do you have one? Have you tried beatmatching on the touchstrips? I can tell you, it's excellently designed. Calm the fuck down or you'll give yourself a migraine.
there are some factors that i just cant find the words, but please check here
http://serato.com/forum/discussion/511641#new
http://serato.com/forum/discussion/507773#new
And check especially the arguments of the user called Nonnus !
you can do this ? for sure that you will understand my point...
I just want you check the Nonnu's argument on the links that i send above of serato forum the argument is the same of mine, but i cant explain exaclty, i just cant find the right words you know, but if you check you will understand my point betterQuote:
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
I've looked.
Guess what, it's still on my desk and hasn't gone up in a puff of smoke. Ooh look, i can make music come out of it. Just turning up the gain a little bit...... oh! it's really loud!
well if you wanna joke is your option, i told you i cant explain exaclty some things because i dont find the words in english, and if you understand correctly my point to check the Nonnus argument in the Serato forum that i send the links, if not, your jokes are totally disnecessary
Well lets wait some time, and you will be the fiasco about this product and the numer of compalins really increasing... Novation Twitch FAIL AS A PRO SOLUTION !
Lets wait some time and we talk again...
alrighty then.
Whats happened to my thread? :eek:
It was going so well but now its almost been derailed?
Well mine's in the mail currently, and I can't wait to get it! :)
Ok guys.... now lets get this thread back on track or it will get locked which nobody wants ok! ;)
well this threard only works for you if talks good about the product you want buy ?
It's not derailed, we're talking about how the twitch isn't a professional solution ;P
On another note, I really wanna get my hands on one just so I can feel the faders. Some people have been complaining and I wanna see what the fuss is about :)
this gear only works fine in a pro solution amplified buy a mixer, and one of the targets of this gear is that can be use in a pro solution without a mixer to amplify, and even some cases of people amplified with a mixer to compensate the lower output had problems with this had to increase so so muuuuch the gain to compensate, i cant believe that dont worry you guys...
Actually you don't need a mixer to amplify, we suggested that as that's what you would have access to in a club environment.
You could alternatively turn up your amp or whatever it is you're plugging your twitch into.
Turning up the gain doesn't bother me. Nothing bad happens. It's there to be used.
Turn up the gain much more than normal bother me, and this situation maybe happenin in some scenarios..
and novation/serato sell this product as a pro solution even without a mixer to amplify the output lower, bother me more...
But dude, you will always always need a amplifier, no matter how loud your soundcard. You can't say it's an issue as every single speaker you have every come across is powered by an amp, either internally or externally.
I need amplify as to compensate the lower output
Yes, just like with ever interface ever made.
correctly but are some discussion about this with twitch because the gain need to be push MUUUUUCH higer to compensate this lower output, and for me this is terrible
But we've already established this can be remedied with standard gain controls...
WHY YOU GUYS MAKING ME WORRIED!?!?! haha my twitch is still on the way and i am pretty confident it's gonna be a good piece and if the sound output is very low as drastically as disco420 is worried it is then i guess i'll have to use it with a external soundcard :/
another thing i was thinking about was the post effects faders, is that a feature you use with traktor too?
I was just about to get the Novation Twitch!! Really, i was going to order i like this weekend. But know what I got in my email? The vid for the new s2. Damn that definitely makes me think twice now. Ribbon strips are cool, but you can't even use the main function of the controller if you don't use the required software.
Right now, since I use Traktor, im leaning a little bit more toward the S2.