ok, somehow i missed this...for all the disagreement I wonder how much differently we are thinking about this....cause i agree completely about this, in fact i think freedom from others/the state is the more valuable of the two; if you have that then really you have the first one too....
I will just add that i believe freedom is at least partially a delusion of the mind, but that's what makes it hard to take away....
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