[OT] Bin Laden

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Originally Posted by Coldfuzion

Basically yeah.

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still don't sit right...

maybe he has been imprisioned and the death (and subsequent lack of proof atm) is a lie to stop his followers trying to break him out til he's secure...

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Originally Posted by michaeldunne109

I believe that the Pakistan Government have a lot to answer for in this. I mean bin laden was living right next to a military compound in a house that stuck out like a sore thumb an no one asked questions.

The next couple of days will tell a lot.

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True that

And now all they can do is neither confirm nor deny anything regarding his burial just that he was buried at sea. Over it already.

No answers on if any countries were contacted to bury the body or family or if there was even an imam present. I believe he's dead but how many Muslims are we going to radicalize when we can't even respect the rights of there dead.

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Originally Posted by Lysgaard

[Updated 12:22 p.m. ET] Osama bin Laden's body was buried at sea according to Islamic law because no country was willing or able to take his body for burial on land, senior Defense officials said.

"When there is no land alternative, Islamic law dictates that the body be buried within 24 hours, and that was the basis," one official said. "

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This is nonsense and a complete smokescreen. A lot of Muslims that live in the middle East and Asia strongly believe that all the Western countries, mainly seem to be led by USA, have tried to do is to divide and conquer the arab/asian countries for years now. A lot of true Middle-Eastern civilians actually resent Western countries more for this than the bad rep Osama bin Laden has brought onto religion such as Islam and Muslim (as is evident from a lot of people's willingness to back Gaddafi against NATO in Libya at the moment).

There was a poll in 2003, i.e. after 9/11, about whether Muslims still believed in Osama bin Laden to do the right thing by them. He got majority positive votes in these countries:

Palestinian territories.: 72%
Indonesia:59%
Jordan:56%

and in Pakistan, where he's been hiding a close call of:

Pakistan 46%

I find it highly surprising that he would have this much support and none of them willing to take his body for burial.

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Originally Posted by Coldfuzion

The reason to bury him at sea is simple. They don't want any type of Shrine or a grave that anyone can visit for Osama Bin Laden. It's that simple. They don't want any more lasting reminders about his existence other than the one's that are already there (ground zero etc).

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This may be true, and right. But ultimately he is a human being with a family etc, and therefore what right do arrogant Western countries have to choose how to dispose of the body?

Seems highly hypocritical to me and shows a MASSIVE lack of understanding and respect for other religions if this is the reason.

What about when famous serial murderers, rapists and killers of any religion die in the future. Do we start just throwing them into the sea in case some nut job or two want to visit their graves as a shrine?

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Originally Posted by michaeldunne109

can be buried/ dumped anywhere if no site can be found within the 24hours.

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And I'm sure Westerners would have done a throrough and honest search whether they'd like the outcome or not......or kept it secret, threw him in the sea and did no search at all disrespecting his family and religion in the process.

If this is what they've done, I fear he'll now become more of a sign of Western misunderstanding and disrespect for other religions and create an even bigger gulf between religions rather than preventing a shrine for anyone to visit.

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Originally Posted by michaeldunne109

no world leader is going to announce something in a public address that can't be proved to beyond doubt as the truth. That would be political suicide.

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Nobody said this to Tony Blair then obviously....

@Bunford at least someone sees what I see in this whole thing. For all we know the actions we took with handling this matter could radicalize the next "Bin Laden". I don't understand how we can justify these things without a clear line of we did this this and this and we couldn't accomplish the burial properly. From the press conference they just held they gave the impression that a burial at sea was what they had planned all along.

Just watching the thread.

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Originally Posted by bartboy

And now all they can do is neither confirm nor deny anything regarding his burial just that he was buried at sea. Over it already.

No answers on if any countries were contacted to bury the body or family or if there was even an imam present. I believe he's dead but how many Muslims are we going to radicalize when we can't even respect the rights of there dead.

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LOL...They are already radicals. I honestly never once thought about his rights of burial after the thousands he was responsible for killing.

Basically, Pakistan is now f'd...and I would hate to be anyone living in that country and would get out as soon as I could if I was living there.