Sounds pretty interesting. And it's free for existing Serato users!
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2010/0...ils/#more-9083
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Sounds pretty interesting. And it's free for existing Serato users!
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2010/0...ils/#more-9083
Hmmm...open XML, I like the idea of that. Either way, cool stuff, but I would have much prefered to see a plugin which imports a DVS interface into Ableton itself, not just use it to edit mix tapes.
mmauve you are a lil wrong on this
this is ableton inside serato!!!
«Put the Ableton Live Session View “inside” Serato: Here’s where things get in interesting. Rather than put Serato inside Live, we’re getting Live inside Serato – after a fashion. Ableton Live runs in the background. Integrated into the Serato interface (as seen at the screenshot at top) are all your Session View clips from your Live Set. Serato’s control – via audio input from vinyl or CDJs, or an ITCH control surface – manipulates the entire transport of the Live set.»
awesome!!! exactly what I was expecting
Seems pointless to me, so youve got your clips in serato, which you can play in traditional style. why not just put the audio files from the clips into your library and load them from there? plus you need to run both programs, cpu heavy? it doesnt make sense to me, does anyone have any views on it?
well for one you loose multi monitor capabilities, but you do gain more efficient space use on a single monitor when you do want to combine the two.
but there must be more in there than just making ableton an integrated glorified sample launcher to make this all worthwhile.
the export into live certainly seems cool. make an awesome live performance? export it into ableton for some more production love and get $$$.
No...I'm not wrong actually, because what you just quoted is nothing like what I'm talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by de_stilj
I'm fully aware of what they mean, you basically turn Ableton into a background process for it to provide the arrangement and clip information via an XML script which Serato loads into it's interface according to what's being provided by the session arrangement.
Basically this is just one program piggy backing off another, using XML scripting to close the gap, as opposed to an embedded solution where the two are integrated into one clean interface. If you understand XML on any level, what "The Bridge" is providing really isn't that complex.
At the end of the day it's all about personal preference.
Its not really a great live performance if youve gotta edit it is it? the only good thing i can see from this is maybe the added effect?if it even lets you?Quote:
Originally Posted by lsmith
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by djstaffo
This is pretty much what Im saying. What does "The Bridge" offer me that Traktor synced into Ableton via MIDI clock doesn't already?. Also, do things such as the APC20 or APC40 controllers work with the interface Ableton has put into Serato?.
Unless drastic changes have been made to Scratch/Itch, Traktor still seems to have the upper hand on customization and MIDI controller support.
By all means, maybe I'm missing a bigger picture here, but from what I gather, "The Bridge" is a mixtape editor, and a basic XML relay between the two programs.
Again, not shit talking the idea Ableton and Serato are putting out, just legitimately questioning what it brings to the table aside from not having to bounce between programs as much?.
Hmmmm, well, you can launch clips from inside Serato, you can use Ableton effects from inside Serato, you can use instruments from inside Serato.
So just calling it a mixtape-editor is a bit...
When you put Serato in Ableton you get the mixtape-editor, but it's the "other side of the bridge" that's interesting...
if you could use max for live with it then maybe it will be interesting, but it isnt doing anything new. but to be fair it is free if you own both programs so you cant really complain. the max for live thing my be good, you could build some freaky effects to mess with the audio or maybe add parts to a loop with a custom built synth. but you could still do all of that with traktor linked with ableton.
What a let down to be honest i was expecting a major breakthrough here this is nothing more than serato + ableton = serato + ableton if you get me, nothing new, nothing COOL, nothing intresting and nothing that lets me be more creative:(. How can this be the product of a years work?? I actualy taught i mite be regratting my decesion to go traktor over serato... very disapointing... unless im missing sumthing?
I too question what exactly this is really bringing to the table. I think part of the problem is that it's just not what people here are looking for. We want the unlimited FX and synths of the DAW, but just controlled with traditional DJ methods. The holy grail of DJing per say. I don't feel that these new features do this.
Damn, and they don't even give the publishing date! I think I'll be happy with it after I get to play with it. I wish they would add support to OTUS RAW as a controller. That would be pretty sweet.
http://serato.com/scratchlive/2.0
Yeah, I agree it's cool, I just think they could have pushed the envelope a bit with the amount of potential this idea had, that's all. I'm not saying they flopped hardcore, but I think the editor best sums up my concerns at the end of his article:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomato
And while I agree, its nice that "The Bridge" is bringing more options to the table for stuff like this, I think it would have benefited more as a DVS plug-in that displays the same information Serato does in the Clip Information portion of Ableton Live. This cuts down on resources needed, makes it easier to keep tabs on work flow, and alleviates any dependencies between two separate programs all while providing the same functionality.Quote:
It’s the more ambitious reverse direction that’s both the most interesting and the most potentially controversial. After all, if you’re using Session View inside of Serato, why not just use Session View? Will it be more useful to put Live inside the virtual vinyl environment than the virtual vinyl inside Live?
I'm having trouble understanding what you mean by this. Could you explain?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWD
^think that poster wants the collab to use ableton like a fancy fx unit while keeping the traditional dj interface.
this is just the first announcement, i wouldn't sell this short if works as advertised and they have figured out how to sync the two considering ableton doesn't really sync all that well to midi clock coming in.
i'm actually kinda surprised ableton agreed to let this be free:D I think they are looking for good press after the issues with Live8
i'm going to help a buddy of mine set this up when it comes out, he's got a apc40 too, i can't wait.
Nice, I look forward to hearing what you have to say about it, Im curious to see if the APC40 works with Serato's clip launching interfaceQuote:
Originally Posted by charo
I'm thinking along the same lines as mmauve is. Some sort of DVS that you can add into your daw as a generator just like any synth. You can add a DVS track into your DAW, and assign a turntable to control it. It would provide all the same stuff you get in Serato including visualizations, EQ controls, and the ability to load an MP3 into it. Plus you then have the ability to chain it into any VST effects you want. It all runs in one program to streamline performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by bgardali
Seems like we already have some solutions for this sort of thing. It would have just been really nice if we got it from Serato and Abelton.
This will make Traktor look like a toy in time.
i want to see how this works with itch. will i be able to use ableton as a fancy fx unit?
Okay I see what you're asking for. Hopefully you get that some way or another if that's what you think will fit your particular style of djing. I am excited about the bridge because I enjoy the aesthetic of djing with both SSL and ableton for different reasons, and, to me, this looks to bring together those features I like quite nicely. I read on the serato bridge page that the the apc40 will integrate well into the serato setup as you can customize your clip launch grid to match that of the apc40 (as well as other controllers).
Think so..the audio tracks are in Live or vica versa. Like Rewire for these programs.
Awesome, thanks for confirming that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bgardali
I highly doubt that. I think this could open a lot of doors, but I think that the team at NI aren't exactly sitting on their laurels, waiting for something bigger to come along.Quote:
Originally Posted by claudek
While this could be a powerful option for Serato/Ableton users, I don't think it'll be a Traktor killer.
Explain? it just seems to me if two companies combine forces, people jump on the bangwagon and get all excited. theres nothin new in what there doing really.Quote:
Originally Posted by claudek
Watch, NI turns around and develops a DJ plugin for Ableton lol. Oh lord the mayhem that would arise from that competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by DvlsAdvct
I think NI is going to develop their own DAW before they go with Ableton. Hell, at this point, between Kore, Maschine, Komplete, Traktor, the Audio Kontrol and Guitar Rig it's not that hard to imagine.
Keep in mind I have absolutely no insider information, but it's just a guess. I mean, it seems to be the way this is all going. And it would be EPIC.
That's a great point actually, they should develop a suite which encompasses all those things together into one tabbed DAW. Or maybe just script up an interface which does that with pre-installed instances of their software.
I sure as hell would love to use a Maschine in that type of setting :)
hmmm looks interesting.... but doesn't torq already have this.. are those clips synced to both decks ? i mean torq u got the sampler right... u get a loop and sync's to the deck.... here u got clips like 6 of em on each rack looks interesting i gotta see a video of this..
what i was expecting.. maybe was like a beat maker inside of serato but eh that be dope though a dvs/beatmaker program all in one.. record sample it slice the shit out of it.. play it... type stuff.. I'll have to wait an see plus I think it would be to much for the comp to handle ?? :cool: haha
problem now is for foos that don't own ableton we would have to buy.. i got more tripped out watching the 2.0 update than this... maybe cuz I haven't seen a video yet...
Am I the only one that sees this as further bridging the gap between vinyl dj & digital dj into one multitasking situation to which you don't have to decide on which you'd rather be because you can now learn both in one situation, maybe I'm just ill informed and this really isn't a big thing
This is all very good news for Ableton Serato DJs. As owner of both product I look forward to the possibilities.
For one I can see Dummy Clips being extremely powerful here.
Remember that there are several styles that encompass the DJ realm and we might not all agree on the same tool or method to produce the overall vibe. The goal is the same. Rock the f*ing place like know other.
yes I am an owner of Traktor Pro so
Please lets us see Reaktor + Traktor
Peace
That's a +1.Quote:
Originally Posted by DvlsAdvct
Especially if you think back that the original team of Ableton walked out on Native Instruments. :D
yeah ableton thing with traktor integration. damn :D
Well put. One of the reasons I opted out for Traktor was because I just didn't feel that Serato was moving fast enough. It seems to me that this is more of an evening of the field than it is a one up situation. Different approaches to the same problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by DvlsAdvct
Plus Traktor still has price on it's side.
However, Native Instruments does have a problem problem in moving forward in that they don't have a DAW that compares to Abelton. I would have thought that you'd be more likely to just see VST effects and instruments added into Traktor before you'd see a full Native Instruments DAW comparable to Abelton.
Agreed, there's a reason Ableton has worked solely on its DAW- there are alot of pieces that go into a working DAW from effects processors to instruments, then theres the whole i/o interface, file browsing, record, resample, arrangement windows. If we do see a NI DAW it doesn't seem to me like it would be for awhile.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWD
BORING that is what i call this :S
I must say that i taught this was going to be huge.. i honestly taught i would be purchasing i... i taught as iv said.. ableton + serato + 1 year of work = industry stomper we got simply what we have already granted it is more streamline... But if your like me you dont want streamline and easy you want creative and WOW Llike traktor scratch pro was a wow product for me personally it was different and it was fun something new:)
As for traktor and ableton thats never going to happen serato got their first.. But im sure n.i will bridge the gap between their products and give me A. An interface im used too and B. something different i have no doubt n.i will learn from this product launch and give us something better.
Traktor killer?? please do explain how this will make people like me traktor users go to serato?? and i dont mean a minority of traktor users to be a traktor killer their would want to be a serious exodus of users.
But time will tell im sure...
Also notice that on the serato site it says "Part One of the Ableton/Serato Partnership", so who knows what's in store for us in the future...
That's a good point, perhaps they will have something else up their sleeve soon :)
maybe traktor + NI MASCINE?
I don't think this is an "industry stomper" but it does address features that I was missing in ITCH.
I don't need the 4 decks of traktor or a good majority of the advanced features, I just wanted 2 decks that I could freely route the signals. Itch serves me as a pair of turntables where I can treat digital files like my own dub plates, and ableton serves as fx host and 2 digital "decks" where digi stuff like beat indexing and all that shit goes down. I can go back to spending money on synthesizers and amps because I'm locked down now with these features