Will this be enough for a house party?

Hey guys,

So I may be DJ'ing a large frat party for Halloween pretty soon. I've got a hand me down powered mixer that's a BEAST... 3000 watts with WAY more channels than I need, but it's got a great amp in it.

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/893/cvspirit.jpg

I'm planning on getting some of these to go with it>

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1...livevp2520.jpg
http://www.google.com/products/catal...CAcQ8wIwADgA#p

The question is, until I can afford the Eurolive speakers, will my Cerwin Vegas (in the picture above) be good enough for a large house party? They get really loud, and have decent bass, but I'm not sure if it'll be enough. Any thoughts?

I've done house parties on much worse. You will be fine. ;)

i think its going LOUD

be careful not to blow your speakers up with that amp though.

Actually, most speakers are blown due to under-powering than over-powering them. Just don't drive them into distorting and you'll be fine.

Why are you getting Behringer speakers anyway? I don't think that's the company's strong suit.

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Originally Posted by SirReal

Actually, most speakers are blown due to under-powering than over-powering them. Just don't drive them into distorting and you'll be fine.

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About the time I hit submit I started thinking that maybe it was the other way around.

One thing to remember is that each person in the room will absorb some sound. You have to factor in the number of people, not just the size of the room when thinking about the sound system.

3000 Watts from a 125V source is 24 amps. The average home in the US only has 15amp circuits so make sure the amp has a circuit to itself (e.g. run a cable to the basement just for the amp.)

You probably won't trip the switches using the amp by itself, just be careful not to share the circuit with anything like disco lights, an AC device, heater or refrigerator.

Get the speakers up high and angle them down over people heads. The pro way is to use speaker stands and a "Top Hat" connector in the speakers, but you can get the same results suspending them from ropes or roping them to shelving up high. Angle them diagonally from the corners of the room so as not to bounce the sound off the back wall and create quiet spots in the center of the room.

Spend a moment getting unshared power to the amp and getting the speakers up high and you'll be fine.

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Originally Posted by Fatlimey

3000 Watts from a 125V source is 24 amps. The average home in the US only has 15amp circuits so make sure the amp has a circuit to itself (e.g. run a cable to the basement just for the amp.)

You probably won't trip the switches using the amp by itself, just be careful not to share the circuit with anything like disco lights, an AC device, heater or refrigerator.

Get the speakers up high and angle them down over people heads. The pro way is to use speaker stands and a "Top Hat" connector in the speakers, but you can get the same results suspending them from ropes or roping them to shelving up high. Angle them diagonally from the corners of the room so as not to bounce the sound off the back wall and create quiet spots in the center of the room.

Spend a moment getting unshared power to the amp and getting the speakers up high and you'll be fine.

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Great info. I'll be sure to setup hours before hand so that everything is good. I'll only be running the amp, and laptop, so I'll look for a non shared plug and hopefully be alright (so long as nobody plugs in a toaster ;)

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Why are you getting Behringer speakers anyway? I don't think that's the company's strong suit.

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Their strong suit is copying other companies designs and reproducing their products for cheaper. I need one-stop-shop volume and bass (i dont want to lug a sub around) and these are the cheapest I've found. Roughly $450 for a pair.

They have also gotten good reviews, from what I've been able to find.

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Actually, most speakers are blown due to under-powering than over-powering them. Just don't drive them into distorting and you'll be fine.

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My Live Sound teacher told me this too... although many people refute it. :confused:

That being said, are there better loudspeakers than the Behringers for similar $$?

You can get way better speakers for less cash if you build them yourself. You can buy better drivers for the same end cost and get a much larger sound.

http://blog.speakerhardware.com/2010...in-saddle.html

Some exceptional designs out there.

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Originally Posted by happydan

One thing to remember is that each person in the room will absorb some sound. You have to factor in the number of people, not just the size of the room when thinking about the sound system.

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True. I work as a sound technician and bizarre things affect sound. More people in a room = more bodily fluids. Bodily fluids absorb the bass and treble levels of sounds differently, so some tweaking may be needed once it fills up.

This is why bands/artists can sound good in sound check then not so good once the crowds fills the room.

For the money I don't think you can touch the Behringers. You'll find the same speakers under different brand names (Technical Pro, Pyle, etc.). I use a simillar set of speakers and have had great results even outdoors. For a house party I can't see you getting noticably better results with other speakers.

A friend of mine bought Behringer speakers recently. They have a built in amps and we have organized few parties till now, both house and outside and the were just brilliant! They have an indicator led that show you the loudness level indicator,so when its blue its great, orange is risky and red is critical. We tried to turn volume up to the limit of blue but we couldn't stand that loudness!!! :-)
Pair of those were paid about 900 eur

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Originally Posted by SirReal

Actually, most speakers are blown due to under-powering than over-powering them. Just don't drive them into distorting and you'll be fine.

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just plain false. there are 2 types of speaker failure, thermal, and mechanical (blow a cone). neither is caused by underpowering. Now,they might sound like ass due to being driven by a clipped amp, but they sure as hell wont break.

Being driven by a clipped amp is exactly why you'll have a speaker failure eventually due thermal buildup.

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Originally Posted by Fatlimey

You can get way better speakers for less cash if you build them yourself. You can buy better drivers for the same end cost and get a much larger sound.

http://blog.speakerhardware.com/2010...in-saddle.html

Some exceptional designs out there.

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this is just what i was looking for thanks a million!

IMO, the best houseparty rig from BFM is a pair of Jack 212 (1 per side) or 4 Jack 112s (2 per side). they are a super easy build, and pretty compact.

If you want to build subs, a pair of T18s will get you by. If you want to step up to a larger sub, use the titan 39 over the Tuba 24 or the Tuba 30 because it gets you highest sensitivity in the kick range.

^^^sounds great! What kind of $$ are we talking?

Have any links to share?

2 T39 slims (bp102 loaded) and 2 Otop 12s (beta 12 loaded) will run you about 600 after plywood, and you can power both on a single crown xti 1000 (around 300 if you search hard). They'll blow the crap out of your average ~100 person party, and will even be good to around 200 people with good bass coverage (if you built wider t39s, loaded with the 3012lf you could do more).


2x Jack 212s will run you about the same, but can be run on any amp that can put out at least 400 watts per channel at 4 ohms. standalones dont require the crossover processing (which makes things simpler) however you wont be as satisfied with your bass output (although it will pretty much demolish any commercial standalone cab)

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Originally Posted by Fatlimey

You can get way better speakers for less cash if you build them yourself. You can buy better drivers for the same end cost and get a much larger sound.

http://blog.speakerhardware.com/2010...in-saddle.html

Some exceptional designs out there.

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I can't find the link you posted once where you can order plans to build speakers. Care to share again?

For those in the US, try here:

http://billfitzmaurice.info/

For Europeans, you'll find designs that are easier to source parts for here:

http://speakerplans.com/index.php?id=plans

http://www.freespeakerplans.com/plans.html

http://www.speakerstore.nl/constructions/

Try pairing the XTro and Punisher Sub.

Fatlimey is spot on. make sure to check out the forums over there as well, they are pretty ace.

I think you can borrow your friends speaker + stand (may be speaker Cable too.. I believe u already have it but all this stuff will be dirty when your party finish and most times you need to clean that alone LoLz... )
...Then u got 2-3 guys to help you watch& protect your audio system from a stoned peop;le in your house ....