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Hey guys,
I hope you won't be mad at me for posting this here:
http://www.avaaz.org/en/wikileaks_petition/?fpla
signing Avaaz petitions requires signup, but in general they don't spam with bullshits. Their causes are usually worthy and it's a good social act in general.
Regards,
Kaloyan
The same people that sign this bullshit to protect freedom of speech and freedom of journalism are the same ones that then question and publicly hang out to dry the govts that use methods they don't agree with to protect and maintain these rights.
What a double standard bullshit. A fucking petition for wiki leaks.
Wheres the petition to stop North Korea from Bombing South Korea? Is that not a good social act. Stop Nuclear bomb development? Oh right -- it's Korea. Shit like this is only fun when the U.S. is exposed.
you REALLY think Kim Jong Il is gonna back down because of a petition?Quote:
Originally Posted by haze324
"Great Leader.. the west has requested you stop bombing the South"
"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
seriously.
Thats my point.
You think a petition is going to stop back room defense strategies.
You'd rather have a petition to say how fucked up the US is, than worry about Nuclear weapons development in N. Korea.
Yep, you guys have all your priorities correct.
haze, I agree for the double standards statement. You're right, mate!
still don't put it on Avaaz - I signed up with their petitions about an year ago, and it appears that I care for about 90% of them. And yes, you will see valuable causes.
as per wiki leaks, I truly enjoy what's happening in the last few days - it's massive attack on all payment processors and services who've closed the WL accounts (and that BTW includes my employeer and we are preparing for DDoS attack coming in the next days LOL)
I don't want to drift in a political direction here. I live with LawOfOne, not with politics. My belief is that WikiLeaks is important in this world today and I'd like to take action to support it's initiative. This is very important for the evolution of our society!
NAMASTE
Yes. But they (or anyone) can get their message and point across without endangering other human lives. They should have enough integrity to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by knaumov
But since they don't, they are no better than those actions they are trying to bring to light themselves.
I will stay out of this post. Good luck with your petition.
I understand and agree with what you say!
It is my understanding that becoming politically/publicly exposed leads to making lots of mistakes with behaviour, attitude and presence. With publicity comes responsibility - it makes difference what you say; how you act; what and how you present. On the scale of WL - unfortunetely you're right that this may endanger lives.
just take the example of Ean - do you notice how often people are attacking and criticizing him. Why is that? Because he is a public figure and what he does has influence over a community. The bigger your thing is, the bigger the influence and the higher the attention and the criticism you attract. We need to grow as a society and that's the most important thing of our time these days.
What is worth is the purpose behind. Regardless of the scale, it's about growing the consciousness of the society - Ean's case is creativity and creative inspiration. WL - you know what it is about.
The petition, it's just a visible and public way to say - I'm with you guys. It may well be equally powerful to just send your thought of support. It's just not visible in the material world.
Respect your decision about stepping back from the thread. It'd be wise for me to do the same too (not sure If i'll manage to resist, but I reserve my right to do so :D)
Cheers!
can we stop having wiki leaks threads? its getting annoying in a place like this
kthxbai
I would sign the petition not because it would have any marked effect on ...anything, but under the condition that wikileaks' founder and employees volunteered to disclosed all internal emails, texts and business transactions related to the company. Furthermore, allow two camera crews to follow Assange 24 hours a day with live feeds to all electronic/telephonic devices as well as audio/video cameras set inside any office or properties used by the organization. Now THAT is transparency.
:p
revolution, down with the man!!1! kill the rich! damn where'd i put my stash
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by theory28
I have newspapers in the morning thanks.
Have you got a source outlining whose lives have been put in danger at all? Would like to take a squiz.Quote:
Originally Posted by haze324
That aside, 1 thread for wikileaks is plenty I reckon.
I realized that the other thread exists a bit late. if mods would merge (please :) )? there's really no reason for this one to exist on it's own.
Totally agree, privacy and secrets are important. Maybe one camera crew, the other can follow his staff about their daily life.Quote:
Originally Posted by space monkey
Screw Wikileaks, I hope their servers melt from DDoS and Assange gets thrown in jail. He's a anarchist with a grudge against the US military, not a journalist. Dropping docs is not something to be admired, even when it's funny as hell. ;) He's lucky he's not important enough to spirit off to some secret facility for enhanced interrogation.
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Originally Posted by dafe
I would rather not participate in any more of these discussions.
I'm pretty sure nobody's being forced to post in this thread. Yeah it's offtopic but so what? There are plenty of offtopic threads here - it's clearly labeled offtopic and those who are sick of the "all wikileaks all the time" news cycle can probably click a different link. Pretty sure there's a good headphone thread around here somewhere....
AgreeQuote:
Originally Posted by djproben
I think wikileaks is doing the right thing, exposing the US government for what it really is, a liying tyranical nuclear institution that has been the cause for so many deaths worlwide.
Aside from the actual issues surrounding WL, you've got to admit the "sex by surprise" scandal is pretty funny stuff. Weakest smear campaign ever :D
The US government, and military subsidizes world peace so countries like yours can cut their armed forces back to shoestring levels and not worry about getting attacked. Down to sharing a aircraft carrier with the French now? LOL It's cool, we'll take up the slack. You're welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintaka
lol wot? not worry being attacked??? Are you serious?!!!! Do you know HOW EASY is to make a terrorist attack? I could leave a bag hidden under the subway seats or plant explosives, without anyone knowing! Better: I can cause general panic with small attacks by destroying small bridges with explosives, causing civilian unrest. EVEN BETTER: i can carry a bag full with explosives and walk into a mall, in chrismas shopping period. Man, it's so easy....LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by DJ Nada
Oh and another one: do you know what EMP means? Do you know that most of the city structures don't have shielding against this kind of attack?
do you still believe in the terrorist threat? Gawd.
What are those military org protecting us from??!! The terrorists? LOL, if they really wanted to cause serious damage and civilian unrest, it would have been done already....