I have so much old vinyl that is very close to becoming redundant....
Is it wrong to get the tunes from Torrents (aka nicking them) even though I already own them.....no i am not burning the vinyl to mp3 that could take years.
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I have so much old vinyl that is very close to becoming redundant....
Is it wrong to get the tunes from Torrents (aka nicking them) even though I already own them.....no i am not burning the vinyl to mp3 that could take years.
Legally, probably not on - I still think we're under the stupid situation in the UK that burning a CD of MP3s you've paid for to play in the car isn't legal.
Morally, provided the artist gets paid, I personally see no problem with downloading digital versions of tunes I own on vinyl. However leeching tunes from torrent sites and not paying for then, then playing them out and get paid for doing so would make you a total cunt (IMHO)
I can't imagine that being a problem for anyone. I just bought the new Avatar 3 DVD set, and I downloaded the digital version instead of pulling it off the DVD or ripping it, because it takes much less time and the quality is better.
Devils Advocate :
By downloading Torrents you are supporting torrent uploaders and piracy, whether you have previously bought the product is irrelevant. Buying it may put money in the pockets of the artist but its still helping the piracy industry if you then download it so you are giving with one hand and taking with another, so to speak (not exactly but you get the point).
This is statement on the question, it is not my opinion on whether its good, bad or indifferent so guys spare me the lecture on piracy.
This is the only remotely legitimate reason to use a torrent site. Plus you don't know what kinds of other bugs and crappy audio you'll get from the torrent site. I know its a pain, but the only real way to ensure you get good audio is to rip it yourself.
Id say it might the only 'remotely excusable' reason but its certainly not a 'legitimate' reason if we are using the word literally.
I have a friend, he produces tunes, he couldn't care less if they are torrented. They are probably torrented by people that wouldn't buy his tunes anyway so he loses nothing. What it does do is gets his name around more. He looks on it as free publicity.
Whether that's right or not, I don't know.
I used to torrent all my tunes, I even had a cracked version of Traktor. I decided that I was torrenting any old sh*t and my music collection started to look decidely crap.
I decided I wanted to take digital DJing seriously, so I bought a copy of traktor, I deleted all my torrented tunes got and I started again. Now I buy everything except any promos I am fortunate to be given.
I think this perfectly illustrates the point.
People who torrent music (specifically) are not generally the targetted users of that medium. The targetted users generally want to pay for the things they use out of respect for the artist, the scene, and also necessity.
legally, since you own a copy of the original, i dont think its a problem. lets say you cut off the torrent before it began to seed, yet were warned / taken to court for your action. you could prove you had the original, and i think that would end that.
however, the act of seeding appears to be the biggest "catch all" in the states. as soon as you do that, ISPs and labels attempt to hunt you down.
It's a matter of opinion really
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Originally Posted by abyrne7
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I think what it comes down to in the end is the fact that you can get as much reassurance or whatever as you want from here on this site but in the eyes of the law what you would be doing is illegal really. If the moral implications are what you are worried about then go for it I say as you have bought the stuff but if it's actual books being thrown at people, you would be a target.
Set your torrent program to not share.
Then you are getting music you already own and also slowing the torrent down for people who don't own the music.
</devil's advocate's devil's advocate>
I don't personally think it is. I mean, I used to rip all the games I played and then would keep the originals and play off the rips (for computer games that required the disk in the drive). Thats not illegal, it would have been however if I took that ripped copy and handed it to a friend. I just liked keeping the originals in good shape and would play/toss around the burned copies. Maybe I have OCD... O.o
As long as you own the original I see no issue with acquiring the media through another, normally illegal(as in used for illegal purposes), form. Just don't seed that bitch.
think of it this way...
If you bought a CD and lost it, is it ok for you to go into a store and steal one for yourself? I mean hey you already bought the CD once right?
With your ogic you should be allowed to steal a new one for yourself. The word steal means you are doing something wrong, so i think it goes without saying that your are doing something wrong...
Yeah but you're not stealing it. Steal is the wrong word here. You steal that CD from the store and they just lost the sale of that CD, you've compromised them. By downloading the song you're not "stealing" it from that person so it's removed from their computer or anything, it's a copy. He didn't loose his copy, it's just easier for him to download them without having to rip them. In the law it says you may have digital copies of your media. That's never an issue, even downloading them isn't if you have paid for the original. It's when you start handing them out for free, or charging for it without permission (can't sell another person's intellectual property).Quote:
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
The morality maybe but the 'legality' isnt. Its either legal or illegal in your country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abyrne7
Yeah didnt think of that but, you still supporting the piracy industry by helping with the 'demand' for the stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle
Is EXACTLY how i feel about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
I fear we are gonna go over well trodden ground here. We all know where it goes so im out of this one.
Have you guys seen "Rip: A remix manifesto" ?
http://ripremix.com/
I recommend :)
"Biomedical engineer turned live-performance sensation Girl Talk, has received immense commercial and critical success for his mind-blowing sample-based music. Utilizing technical expertise and a ferocious creative streak, Girl Talk repositions popular music to create a wild and edgy dialogue between artists from all genres and eras. But are his practices legal? Do his methods of frenetic appropriation embrace collaboration in its purest sense? Or are they infractions of creative integrity and violations of copyright?
You be the judge by watching RiP: A remix manifesto."
I'll sign off with:
You should definitely buy all your music.
Once you've bought the music, you shouldn't have to buy it again.
Except: if you've bought a lower quality version of the file. 192 - 320 mp3 files for example. DVD > Bluray.
If I had the vinyl release, I'd have no hesitation about getting the mp3 later from Hypem at a pinch, although I recently spent a couple of days digitising old vinyl anyway.
The CD argument doesn't really stand up. By making an additional copy of a digital file you're not preventing anyone else owning a copy of that file.Quote:
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
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The word 'steal' is highly emotive (and as I believe you produce music, I can completely understand why you get highly emotive about it!). It's a phrase that FACT and the RIAA are trying to get people to use when referring to illegally downloading music, which technically is breaching copyright ...
At the end of the day, people really should pay for the music they listen to.
If they don't, the artist won't get any money for the massive amounts of effort they put in to making music and at the worst case, they'll just stop doing it. Support the scene you love!
think of the warm nostalgic feeling you'd have from recording all your old tunes...
also, even for doing that legally in the UK you need a produb license
I would like to dispel any rumors of sub-perfect quality from torrent websites. Perhaps none of you have heard but there is such a thing as a private tracker, and the conditions of being a member means regularly submitting perfect rips and downloading/seeding to keep the seed/download ratio's positive.
On the topic of downloading music. Open source for life. You do it for the crowd, energy, music, and punani not for the money. So if you are going to compare your self to your favorite producer and say it's not worth doing because you aren't going to get paid; well then I say you are a greedy bastard.
if he had a cd and lost it, surely he wouldnt go into a store to steal another one.
but if you have COD4:MW2 purchased via steam and you lose your media, they allow you to download another copy to your hdd so you can continue with what you purchased in the past.
itunes also, though one time only, allows you to re-download music in the event of a harddrive crash.
so if you own the vinyl, havent lost it, i dont see a problem to recoup that music through a different medium.
beatport stands different, you have to download each version differently. if you download a wav, you *should* be allowed to download each sub-version for free (imo, flame away) as it costs more, and can reproduce the other versions with the right technical know-how (Read: google)
Meanwhile, back on planet earth ...Quote:
Originally Posted by maxonemillionone
I just think record companies used to stick it to the public by making us buy a collection of say 15 songs with only one song we liked out of those 15. Meaning you were buying songs you did'nt even really want. Now in todays genration the public is just sticking it back to those guys who made rediculous amount of money. They wern't thinking with the times and they gut burned for it. Don't blame the public blame the software developers and record companies in my opinion.
I know it hurts the artist in the long run and ts not legal, bla bla bla. I for one buy 99% of my music just for the ease of use and quality. But if I cant find it anywhere else I will download it illegally just because the resource is there. (and I am sure people do the same) It's just human nature..the average joe does not give a shit about anyone else but themselves when it comes to listening to music and it's not going to change. If it wasnt downloading it illegally it would be recording tapes off the radio or something of the like. We are in a funny stage. Eventually over time the public decides what they like and how they listen to music and how they buy it. Just like how everyhting else evolves in the world. Don't worry mega artists will still be super rich and the struggling artist will still be struggling.
Anywas my rant is over and I don't rant much haha
Dudechadbro, are you telling me you don't think getting truck loads of fine poon tang for being behind the booth isn't worth being a DJ? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sherlock Ohms
If I got 'truck loads of fine poon tang' from anyone other than the wife, she'd have words ...Quote:
Originally Posted by maxonemillionone
Slightly off topic, but if my laptop hard drive fails and I have no backup of the 1000+ tunes all bought from beatport, can i re-download them (from beatport) (for free)?
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Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
Hi everyone, Long time lurker, first time poster. To the OP, no I dont think thats an issue, infact i do the same.
This is just like Dookie (green Day) ALL over again, I bought that album at 15 on tape. then again at 17 on CD, then again somewhere around 20. Thats 3 times Green day got paid. Thats not right.
The guy above here, use words like industry to describe piracy. What is the piracy industry u speak of? The pirates bay makes no money from piracy, nor do an of the other torrent sites. sure they sell adverts but what site dosnt? The only people profiting off of piracy are those illegal Aliens in downtown Los Angeles that pop up in the middle of Santy alley with a blankiet full of pirated DVDS laided out on the concrete.. THEY MAKE MONEY.
hell, even microsoft cares not for single torrenters, and made that statement clear when windows 7 betas and RCs were available.
they care about the mass-piraters who are burnings thousands, millions, of their software and selling them on the black market.
the 100 or so downloads of ke$ha's tiktok remix is not breaking anyone's bank...
How do u figure?Quote:
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
Walking into a store an stealing a physical copy of somthing is theft. Downloading somthing is available to EVERYONE who loads the page, IS FAR FROM walking into a store an stealing.
I know it broke my heart when I saw lars ulrich driving around in the Black s series BMW and not the Z series. Poor guy. I also heard piracy has affected britny spears pocket book and she had to go with the smaller lear jet and not the delux. Poor girl I hope she dosnt freak out again and cut off all her hair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abyrne7
Slightly O/T: I lol'd so hard at that. Mind you, i'm sitting in my Econ class right now. Everyone looked over at me, and uhm... I had to make up some bullshit statement as to why I was laughing so he wouldn't get mad about me having my laptop out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Djtom420
On topic: I feel that if you have purchased the song once, you are entitled to get it and use it in any form (digital or w/e) you choose to use it in. If you have it on a CD, you are more than welcome to download it or rip it. Essentially, the two are the same.
That's just my two cents!
If you make a mix and give that to people for free, is that illegal?
*stands back*
If you own a cd, dvd, etc, you are allowed to make 1 backup copy for personal use only. To me this means that even if I own Barney Does Fraggle Rock, I am not entitled to have my friend's backup copy of the same title. Therefore, owning a specific vinyl cut doesn't entitle you/me to acquire a backup via bit torrent. My opinion, but it makes sense (to me)Quote:
Originally Posted by completej
Ohhh thats a good point. What say all u the anti Torrent crowed?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxOne
Everytime u hand out a mixed tape (CD or MP3) u are Supporting this "piracy industry"....
NB I buy all my music and fully support that argument, but as semantics go, it's interestingQuote:
Originally Posted by Djtom420
*thinks semantics is the right word*
I better shut my mouth or else the RIAA is gonna start writing letters to DJs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Djtom420
no, that is actually allowed. however, if you dont supply a full tracklisting with your demo's, it is slightly frowned uponQuote:
Originally Posted by MaxOne
Really, I believe you but why? And surely there's no grey area, either it's illegal or not, rather than "frowned upon" if you know what I mean.
where you getting your facts from btw? Just be a good resource...
Allowed By whom? Does it says this on the record sleeve (LOL I said Record sleeve in a Digital DJ forum. I gusse thats showing my age.) or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by djchriswoods.co.uk
Actually no ur wrong its not allowed. Technically its illegal. What makes mixing a set any differnt from making a itunes cd for a friend? What cuase u blended the begging and ends of the tracks, looped the center and added a different snare or a different high hat arrangement, magically its a differnt song not binded by copywrite law?
Honestly I think the whole copyright things is retarded and needs to be rethought out. RIP: REMIX doc anyone? Someone like girl talk is radically diffenrnt from what we all do here.
Its just u cant say one thing is wrong and the other is legal when they are both inherently the SAME THING.
Most arists are smart enough to look the other way they know this is who buys there music.