DUBSTEP, 140, or 70

hey guys im curious what everyone is beatgridding the majority of there dubstep to, i guess technically its 140 bpm (maybe im wrong), but i like running it all at 70 personally

It really doesn't matter which way it's beat gridded. It will beatmatch perfectly fine.

I let traktor scan the bpm, then just clean up the gridding a little bit.

depends how you want the timing of your looping and fx to be.

70 you'll have longer fx/loops intervals, double time 140 you'll have shorter fx/loops intervals.

Ask theory to Chime in. He rocks dubstep hard.

I spin dubstep at 140. Dunno why but I've always done it that way and it's worked. For some tracks I have to double up to 280 believe it or not because Traktor thinks the first down beat is 1/2 a beat off. I'm too lazy to change the grid haha.

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Ask theory to Chime in. He rocks dubstep hard.

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140 will be better in the long run.

i suppose it really doesnt matter as long as youre consistent.

i used to run it at 70, and for the life of me i cant remember what problem i ran into that i needed to use it at 140. i think it was something with the beat count. i really cant remember, sorry.

i think its easier to think about it at 140 because im not really listening just to the kick really, so seeing it at 70 and the grid at 70 just throws me off.

if you do switch to 140 (i recommend you do if you havnt gridded to many tracks yet.) it will take some getting used to seeing so many more grid lines, but it wont be too much of a bother after a while.

ive also started using the most zoomed in choice for the wave forms, so if you can deal with the faster speed then you wont have to worry about all the lines.

each only takes a few hours of play time to get used to.

140 for dub, 175 (zone) for drum step.

Makes mashing with breaks and dnb easier :D

Btw, who remembers my anti-dubstep rantings? Yeah, 'will they blend' caused a change of heart ;)

I use 140 because it gives me better control over the beat. If I want to change the song up a bit i'll "drum" with the beatmasher, using my MF to control the values of the beatmasher and repeating like that. It's fun stuff.

yeah, i forgot to mention. LFOs and stuff will be WAY to slow at 140 if youre playing a brosteppy track.
and with the more chilled stuff it might almost sound like youre turning down the volume slowly

is House music 130

or 65??

130

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Originally Posted by seitz

is House music 130

or 65??

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the thing is, dubstep drums are at 70, and the rest is at 140. thus this thread is not dumb.

Its smart!

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Learn something about music theory and you will realize how mute this question is.

It is most decidedly both, if you look at the most basic, two step elements of the beat algorithm.

Some food for thought.


140 divided by 2 equals 70

70 divided by 2 equals 35


THEREFORE

Tracks of:

70bpm

105bpm

140bpm

175bpm

Will ALL share a transient somewhere in the measure, and as well will hold time with one another.

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Originally Posted by exokinetic

*sigh*

Learn something about music theory and you will realize how mute this question is.

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^ this....who is to say a track is 70 or 140....all house music could be set to 65 bpm and itll litterly be the same

although valid, thats not really the topic.

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Originally Posted by Dj.You.S.Bee

hey guys im curious what everyone is beatgridding the majority of there dubstep to

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T2 master clock acts funky under 80BPM, I say keep it 140 until this is fixed (or grid at 140 and divide at the end).

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Originally Posted by exokinetic

*sigh*

Learn something about music theory and you will realize how mute this question is.

It is most decidedly both, if you look at the most basic, two step elements of the beat algorithm.

Some food for thought.


140 divided by 2 equals 70

70 divided by 2 equals 35


THEREFORE

Tracks of:

70bpm

105bpm

140bpm

175bpm

Will ALL share a transient somewhere in the measure, and as well will hold time with one another.

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Yeah but they won't necessarily sound good mixed like that. But this is why I notice a lot of dubstep tracks get auto-BPM'd at 105 rather than 140 or 70. Took me a long time to figure it out because if you just look at the grid and the transients, everything seemed to line up.

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Originally Posted by theory28

the thing is, dubstep drums are at 70, and the rest is at 140. thus this thread is not dumb.

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very good point, honestly as funny as it is i cant remember exactly what pissed me off at 140 but initially that was what i was going for, lol, but since about a week ago when i decided to switch i have been slowly switching them all over to 70 and it has been working good so i think i might stick with it untill i have any problems since i already been at 140 and got a little pissed haha, but as im trying to drop a track on count that has an offcount first beat, i found myself counting the 8 beats in my head as if it were 140, wich got me feeling possible it should be up there, theorys explanation about drums being at 70 helped alot make sense, as for what advantages i have at 70, i like the timing of fx better, especially being able to get a full 8(4 beat) loop with the slicer, downside is not being able to grab a 135 electro track and speed it up 1 or 2 into a 138 or 139 dubstep track you lower in, a side not is anyone beatgridding around 70 should make sure to change traktors setting to detect grids below 70, i think that was a factor that made me initally go to 140 (without realizing it until i was having mad trouble gridding some 70 songs, o man i was confused)

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the thing is, dubstep drums are at 70, and the rest is at 140.

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true

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thus this thread is not dumb.

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false

i go with 140 (or whatever) mixes into psy easy that way ;)

whhooops forgot to vote. there ya go ;)

Are ALL the drums at 140 in dubstep? Or just the snares?

how is this thread 3 pages.

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Originally Posted by duerr

how is this thread 3 pages.

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as a person posts it makes the thread longer. quite simple really...

If in doubt about what the ACTUAL bpm is, read this.

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Dubstep rhythms are usually syncopated, and often shuffled or incorporating tuplets. The tempo is nearly always in the range of 138-142bpm.[9] In its early stages, dubstep was often more percussive, with more influences from 2-step and grime drum patterns. A lot of producers were also experimenting with tribal drum samples, a notable example being Loefah's early release "Truly Dread". Over time, key producers at the time started to experiment with the half-step rhythm which created more of a spacious vibe, and head-nodding rhythm, a feature which started to be used more and more and has become a signature of the genre. Similarly, the half-step rhythm also started to dominate grime, and producers started to lose the more complex and jerky rhythms influenced from 2-step, and started to work with more hip-hop influenced beats.

Dubstep rhythms typically do not follow the four-to-the-floor patterns common in many other styles of electronic dance music such as techno and house but tend to rely on longer percussion loops than the four-bar phrases present in much techno or house. Often, a track's percussion will follow a pattern which when heard alone will appear to be playing at half the tempo of the track; the double-time feel is instead achieved by other elements, usually the bassline. An example of this tension generated by the conflicting tempo can be listened on the right. The song features a very sparse rhythm almost entirely composed of kick drum, snare drum, and a sparse hi-hat, with a distinctly half time implied 71bpm tempo. The track is instead propelled by a sub-bass following a four-to-the-floor 142bpm pattern.

In an Invisible Jukebox interview with The Wire, Kode9 commented on a DJ MRK1 (formerly Mark One) track, observing that listeners "have internalized the double-time rhythm" and the "track is so empty it makes [the listener] nervous, and you almost fill in the double time yourself, physically, to compensate".

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It will mix fine at both, but if you're using beatsynced effects or mixing with house or breaks tracks at 125-135 bpm it will work much better at 140. A mate of mine always grids his dubstep tracks at 70 and DnB around 87.5 and I can't for the life of me understand why.

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Originally Posted by fullenglishpint

A mate of mine always grids his dubstep tracks at 70 and DnB around 87.5 and I can't for the life of me understand why.

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cos a 17 bpm jump looks less than a 34 bpm jump? idk, just a guess

looks, yes. But it's still the same isn't it!

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as a person posts it makes the thread longer. quite simple really...

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get out of town with your greesy trivia muffins.

my thinky sponge is not hungry.

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looks, yes. But it's still the same isn't it!

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yep, but still... :rolleyes:

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get out of town with your greesy trivia muffins.

my thinky sponge is not hungry.

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Originally Posted by fep

A mate of mine always grids his dubstep tracks at 70 and DnB around 87.5 and I can't for the life of me understand why.

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Probably because pretty much all of the BPM finding software out there uses algorithms that detect faster BPM's at 1/2 their original value.

well if you can count to 2, you should be ok.

*waiting for someone to jump in and have a rant about thie sync button.....*

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Originally Posted by fullenglishpint

I can't for the life of me understand why.

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the bpm range in your prefs is probably something like 50 - 135

OP, i think what probably got you mad was that the snare was on the 3rd beat

I usually go with the bigger number since i love the sync button, and cant be botherd to mess with my settings if i go from a dubstep song to house song itll make the house song real slow it its 70 so its easier to have it at a closer bpm, ino there prob is a setting to click but it works already so why change it ;)

140.

I have a buddy who just goes with whatever Traktor decides, and doesn't grid his tracks. He mixes by ear, but whenever I look at his program, it just drives me absolutely insane. His music collection is no better either, shit's in the most random spots.

Some people are anal about getting it set up correctly, others just do whatever. Such is life.

But it's 140. Anyone telling you otherwise is nuts. Will it work gridded at 70? Yes, but other things will be funky (and not in a good way).

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Originally Posted by theory28

the bpm range in your prefs is probably something like 50 - 135

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It's not my dubstep that's at 140, it's my best mate's. And he uses VDJ :eek:

I have all my DnB in Traktor with half-time grids.

I prefer it because the beat counter is easier to time, because the beat counter itself is running at half-time.

And I don't like counting 8 beats per bar, 4 bars per phrase, 4 phrases per measure.

At half time its: 4 beats per bar, 4 bars per phrase, 4 phrases per measure.


I can also run a loop twice as long.

At 87.5, a 32 bar loop is twice as long as 32 bars at 175 bpm.


I also don't use any LFO or beat-synced effects, so I don't run into any problem there.

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At 87.5, a 32 bar loop is twice as long as 32 bars at 175 bpm.

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