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So I know there are videos out there that can help but I would just like some structure and everyone learns diff. I was looking at taking some online courses from either dubspot or point blank. I wanna take the ableton courses for music production. At point blank I want to take the 3x producer program and take the djing ableton course, dubstep ableton course and mixing course then later on take the sound design course. I was wondering if anyone has any opinio
On the 2
My opinion is that they generally cost a fucking BOMB for what they are. I'd rather spend the money on gear and hookers :p
Youtube helps.
Also, for ableton, abletonlivedj.com runs a good forum, but you have to sign up for a user to be able to read it. The guys on there know what they're doing from the DJ side, and a few are fairly accomplished producers. But I don't know of any actual tutorials…more a place for getting questions answered and chatting with intelligent people.
Also, why do people like dubspot? I've watched a lot of their free videos and it looks like all they teach you to do is clip your sound card outputs, spend a lot of money on useless gear, and beat-match wrong a bit quicker than most. But I haven't watched any of their production tutorials. Their DJ stuff was bad enough that I never bothered…maybe it's just Endo and the rest of them are competent, but I doubt it.
well the thing is right now i have:
akai mpk mini
kontrol s4
ableton suite 8
most NI plugins except fm8, kontakt, and battery plus their sound banks.
i also have an ipad with Touch OSC and Touchable, maybe the korg apps to idk yet
and my comp is a 13" MB
i read the power 8 manual and i learned some but don't know how to produce or know music theory basics. so i wanna get a good backing ya get me? i heard about those type of sites and seen vids of sites like that on youtube but idk, might have to take a 2nd look. i got the money and for point blank i would get a curriculum more towards what i want for like 1300 and to me honestly, thats not to bad cause they give me a structure kinda like as if i went to college for music production. dubspot is expensive but its also more pro and some of their people have been doing work. endo is.... endo "/ but i wouldn't be taking a class with him. as far as the videos i get an idea but im pretty sure those videos are not like the class and are meant to have you enroll to learn is better and have the one on one they offer, even online, both do
See if there is a local tutor near you.
Might/might not be cheaper, but you will learn lots quicker..
theres scratch academy but idk i dont really like them that much, then after the summer im gonna be in chicago for school, i thought about taking some music production classes in college since i have the free time but for the same price i have a full curriculum for me through point blank at least i just wanna know out of the two which is the better, opinions from people who went would be cool. id be taking the online courses
If you want to learn music theory take some private piano lessons. Will go a long way towards "WRITING" music. The production side of things will come with time.
If anything, go to school for audio engineering. That will help you more than taking any Ableton/production class.
Hi Armanip,
Just noticed your thread and thought it worth throwing our hat into the ring :-)
We run an 8 week, one to one Ableton course focussing on your genre of choice. There are some free videos here so you can see the style of the tutorials : http://www.quantizecourses.com/pages.php/?cat=3
If you would like to find out more or have any questions please feel free to PM me.
All the best.
Keith
OR, you could just fiddle with ableton, find youtube tutorials (more than half of FAQs are answered in random youtube videos), AND, ask questions in THIS great forum :)
I always liked structured learning, but in this case i tried the self-exploration route. I found that, when it comes to this stuff, when you follow some structured curriculum, you get married to their way of doing things. If you teach yourself, you find whatever works for you faster IMO.
if you have the money and the time, go for it. but i personally wouldn't bother. there are definitely some techniques you need to know if you want to create decent music, but im convinced you can learn all these basics for free on the internet. the "advanced" techniques are what will really make your music unique, and I don't think people can really teach that. you'd only end up recreating something already done.
[disclaimer: I haven't done one of these courses, so I may be wrong]
Hey guys,
Just saw this post. A lot of very good, well balanced views coming out...it doesn't look like a music forum at all!
Armanip - It sounds like you have thought quite a bit about the best way for you, personally to learn, which is great. Just thought I would come on to see whether you had any specific questions about Point Blank or anything you would like me to ask any of our tutors about the courses.
That goes for anyone else interested in doing a course too.
The best way to find out whether Point Blank is the right college for you though, is to take one of our FREE Sample courses before committing to anything, fully.
www.pointblankonline.net/sample-a-course
Cheers for the feedback,
James - Point Blank
I think: If you're going to pay for instruction, I would make sure it was in person and not online. A lot of similar lessons are probably floating around youtube, you can't beat face to face when it comes to teaching. A personal teacher can assess your problems and take care of them, while an online video will just be like, "Here's some stuff most people will need to know."
First up, pick up an instrument. Then start learning music theory, music theory is not very important but it gives you basis of music such as keys, scales and all that stuff.
Start using ableton everyday and make some random stuff and try recreating your favourite producers 'signature' sound.
Use youtube! There are a ton of good producers who will teach you how to use ableton such as tom cosm, he is an ableton certified instructor and his kiwi accent makes it nice to watch his tutorials. Another good producer is nzmusic101, his gaining popularity and porter robinson watches his videos, lazy rich played one of his tunes. Nzmusic101 teaches synth programming and it helped me alot if programming sylenth1 and massive. DjVespers is good aswell as hes ableton certified trainer.
Recommended youtube 'teachers'
-Nzmusic101
-Tom Cosm
-DJVespers
and some random searches like 'how do i make a distorted bass/ justice drums etc.
I would also suggest to listen to all types of EDM music not just dubstep but dnb, tech house, minimal techno and even possibly rock! By listening to alot of genres, your music will be much more creative and seeing that you want to produce dubstep you can incorporate some other elements from other genres making your music 'better' than the rest.
Finally, music productions is not an overnight thing. A ton top producers didn't learn ableton overnight and music theory overnight. My final words is to never give up, look at tiesto, guetta, deadmau5, paul van dyk, fatboy slim. Theyre all 30+ so never give up!