Skrillex Shut Down, Death at a Rave in Dallas

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Although the person who died in Dallas was 19 years-old (as compared to the 15-year old who passed away in LA), are events like these cause for concern? Can Americans just not handle their drugs?

I feel these events should continue but organizers should make a more concerted effort to ensure safety and not solely maximize profits, e.g. more water fountains, do not oversell, etc.

Fucking hell. I was at sónar on friday night and saw a guy getting carried away from the main stage unconscious by a group of random people who must have been dancing near him, I had a great night but I was a bit concerned that such a massive venue didn't seem very prepared for people getting sick.

really sucks for this to happen. Specially since insomniac really and I mean really stepped their game up from last year.

I knew some shit like this was bound to happen. I went to EDC Dallas last year and already i thought it was too many people, this time almost twice and many people showed up. So glad i didnt go (4 hour drive would have sucked).

Anyways, i posted this on another forums i go to, I love what Insomniac is trying to do... but in the end they are to blame for all this. I know they tried harder for something like the Cali incident dint happen again, but they really are just greedy promoters like many others out there. they need to learn to cap their damn events at much lower numbers. they could easily cap it at 20k or something but no.... why would they miss out on selling 10k more tix @ 60-70$ each... It really just makes me sick that they just care about the money in the end.

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handle their drugs?

May be it is not drugs!!!!

I haven't seen anything saying what the cause of death was so we can't blame anybody or anything yet.

It could all be down to someone selling a bad batch of pills. I doubt that event is exactly drug free.

Ive never seen a drug free event :(

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Could have been an elaborate ruse after Skrillies computer crashed again. He just can't catch a break can he?

someone pulled the fire alarm...morons...in that event the fire marshal has to clear the place...

It's been happening forever. Some people can't handle themselves, and give a bad name to the entire scene/sub-culture. It's why those drugs are illegal in the first place, because the government here doesn't think people know how to deal with them correctly.

Don't get me wrong, I love events like this. But there is no way you get 50k people together, and someone doesn't go too far. It's just odds of gambling at that point.

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Originally Posted by BigC

It's why those drugs are illegal in the first place, because the government here doesn't think people know how to deal with them correctly.

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But then again their being illegal is why the stuff that people can buy is laced with all kinds of horrible shit. The lethal dose of MDMA is pretty huge assuming it's pure, but when you mix it with all the other stuff people put in pills and call them 'ecstasy', the chance of something bad happening increases tenfold.

I think the fire marshal had to clear the place regardless. The other building at Fair Park was blocked off and only a few people were inside. I think Wolfgang Gartner played in front of 60-70 people. So everyone was crowded into Skrillex.

Some blame should lie with the Fire Marshall--he fixed one problem, but created the same one but worse

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Originally Posted by BigC

It's been happening forever. Some people can't handle themselves, and give a bad name to the entire scene/sub-culture. It's why those drugs are illegal in the first place, because the government here doesn't think people know how to deal with them correctly.

Don't get me wrong, I love events like this. But there is no way you get 50k people together, and someone doesn't go too far. It's just odds of gambling at that point.

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As pessimistic as this statement is, it's essentially the truth.

It might not be drugs it could be anything

A guy died at a gig in London from the Bass being too loud at a gig

The kid could of been sick or anything
With events like these drugs are always the first to be blamed

Such a shame tho to. Have his live taken no matter what the cause

ahh... this sucks for everyone, the crowd, the dj. shame.

He...died from bass overdose? That's just hardcore as fuck.

I think without a real answer, nobody should be really blaming anybody. And if there was to blame somebody it would be the idiots who overdose on drugs and stuff because they chose to go that way, not anybody else. They know the risks.

No disrespect to the family of the deceased, but sometimes ppl just can't hang.
If you're gonna do illegal drugs like e, then u gotta at least buy before hand and test them for "bad" substances. the kits are legal to buy.

possibly a "bad batch", I guess.

need more water fountains?? shit. every event I've been to this last year, the water fountains are actually OFF. wtf. they just want you to spend money on water bottles and Monster.

I went to an LA event in August last year that went from 4pm until about midnight. It was 100 degrees. They RAN OUT OF WATER???!? No juice either bc it was sponsored by Red Bull. I passed out bc there was no re-entry so I couldn't drink any water. Whole new meaning to "crash from an energy drink".

Monster Massive 2008, my girlfriend's cousin got trampled right in front of me by an aggressive crowd. I had to punch ppl to stop them from walking over her.

Hard Summer 2010, ran out of H20 and no juice bc the event is sponsored by RedBull.

I was gonna go to EDC last year bc I had free tix. saw the videos. too many fucking ppl.

I was gonna go to EDC Vegas this year.. fuck that. Promoters/planners don't give a shit about anything except money.

Long Live Small Events!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by TommyQuiet

A guy died at a gig in London from the Bass being too loud at a gig

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As an audio engineer I call BS on this. Bass on its own can make breathing unpleasant at ridiculously volumes but to kill someone..
Though with the right amount of narcotics, a false arrhythmia could occur I guess if standing next to a sub array at 130dBA

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Originally Posted by Audeo

As an audio engineer I call BS on this. Bass on its own can make breathing unpleasant at ridiculously volumes but to kill someone..
Though with the right amount of narcotics, a false arrhythmia could occur I guess if standing next to a sub array at 130dBA

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Read this. Underlying genetic conditions is the key point but, yeah it happened.

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/805430-l...udent-tom-reid

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Originally Posted by Karlos Santos

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/805430-l...udent-tom-reid

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Interesting read but its not the bass that killed him, it just triggered something:
"A coroner recorded a verdict of natural causes, saying the straight-As student was killed by sudden arrhythmic death syndrome (SADS)
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Cardiac experts said the bass could have triggered SADS if Mr Reid had underlying, yet unknown, genetic problems"

If bass could really kill, blowing up hearts left and right, we would probably have heard of it by now.

Damn. Imagine being allergic to bass. *lights a candle for the poor SADS souls* :(

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Originally Posted by DJZEchevarria

I think without a real answer, nobody should be really blaming anybody. And if there was to blame somebody it would be the idiots who overdose on drugs and stuff because they chose to go that way, not anybody else. They know the risks.

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my thoughts are with the family.

and i agree, people seem to be jumping to conclusions.

however, if it is to do with drugs, then it would be the dealer for being so irresponsible for selling and encouraging someone who blatantly can't handle their dosage. it's not hard to be able to tell if the kid's done what ever he did before and whether he actually knows what he's doing. i wouldn't want to kill off my customers, i'd feel incredibly shit knowing it was my fault.

as for the bass theory, wouldn't you have to subject your self to agonising pain i.e, ear drums bursting (or however your ears break) before you died? i'm sure people wouldn't hang around to listen to it.

i think as a member of a forum built from DJ's who are so heavily immersed in the rave culture, it's likely that at least some of us have at least tried some drugs without problems. it's a shame other's experiences are truly lethal.

EDIT: ignore the bass theory, other posts came through whilst typing this up

Those festivals are hell. No water, a lot of money, people bumping into you, drugs, drunk fools, etc etc..

Given that 2 dozen people were hospitalised I'm comfortable jumping to the conclusion that either the crowd was too rowdy and people got physically hurt, it was too hot in there and people got heat stroke or there was a dealer in there with some dodgy pills (which in turn can lead to heat stroke).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk6Zy1xC4JM

An old friend of mine was involved in the promotion in this (he picked up skrillex from the airport) I'll ask him what went down and post here when I get the relevant info

jesus christ EDC....

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Originally Posted by fullenglishpint

Given that 2 dozen people were hospitalised I'm comfortable jumping to the conclusion that either the crowd was too rowdy and people got physically hurt, it was too hot in there and people got heat stroke or there was a dealer in there with some dodgy pills (which in turn can lead to heat stroke).

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If you think the dodgyness of the pills is in any way related to heat stroke, you're part of the problem because you have no idea what you're doing.

Don't give people advice about drugs until you do a lot more research.

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Originally Posted by BuckyDonePun

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Although the person who died in Dallas was 19 years-old (as compared to the 15-year old who passed away in LA), are events like these cause for concern? Can Americans just not handle their drugs?

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It's usually alcohol, where I've been. I've had friends carried away for that reason–well, more like acquaintances. And I've taled to paramedics–while they weren't busy–mostly to thank them for being available at every event I've seen them at. And chatted with them.

Apparently things like "craft beer festivals" and outdoor summer wine tastings are even worse per capita…they just top out at about 800-1000 people instead of 150,000.

Yeah, things like MDMA will make you have to regulate your temperature yourself (with water, clothing, breaks, etc.) but statistically, hard drugs are a lot less dangerous than drinking too much. And no one in the US respects alcohol for what it does, especially outdoors in the heat.

I've watched people buy a beer while they were sweating like mad in the 1pm sun in August in Atlanta…only to throw up, pass out, and wind up in a medical tent or hospital.

Frankly, I don't think festivals should sell alcohol at all. It's just too dangerous in those settings.

Haven't people learned to bring camelbacks yet? I've been going to shows for years now and am still surprised at how people haven't picked up on how absolutely useful they are.

And I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but I guess I am to a degree. I love shows, I love having a good time, but so many people just make constant bad decisions it's nutty.

my camelback got confiscated at an event. no joke...

Being in the military, the thing they pound into your head shortly after you step off the bus, and forever after is "HYDRATE!!!" Being properly hydrated would cause some of these nights to be so much more pleasant, it lessens the effects of alcohol and drugs (I think...), and you don't feel like crap the next morning. Whenever I go out I'm drinking water, iced tea, juice, etc. Partying, dancing and DJing can be physically demanding, HYDRATE!

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Originally Posted by DJ Asand

my camelback got confiscated at an event. no joke...

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they usually do, unless you bring them in empty


a majority of collapses at dance events in australia are attributed to GHB... either because they overdose on it, or they are mixing it with alcohol. i can't believe how irresponsible people are with GHB (well any drugs really). But with GHB the line between safe and unsafe is so fine. It's really like russian roulette with a lot of people.

also mixing a whole bunch of different drugs can cause all sorts of problems too. a friend of mine's sister took ecstasy for the first time about 5 years ago, then took a strong sleeping tablet at the end of the night so she could sleep before work, and her body shut down in her sleep and she died.

I think it's such shit that raves and festivals get such bad reps because people think that everyone is doing ecstacy or other drugs. My sympathies go out to the family members of those who have died at these kind of events but it's such b.s. that the spotlight is focused on EDM concerts and festivals. Deaths due to drugs happen at rock concerts, for example, but that is never as widely publicized as the deaths that occur at raves. I think that because EDM is so popular right now that it naturally will be at the forefront of news.

Last year at POP 2010 in San Francisco, I think two people died and there were several people who were hospitalized because of drug-related issues. Don't blame the promoters or the culture, and again my sympathies to those who have lost someone, but it's honestly their own damn fault for being stupid enough to take a drug from someone random or a drug in general (Darwin at work?). I don't do ecstasy, LSD, shrooms or any other related drugs because I definitely enjoy having full function and control of my brain and intend to keep it that way. I do not want to trade a few nights of amazing under-the-influence partying for a possible overdose, potential brain damage, or death. I think I will be able to enjoy the music without the help of drugs just fine.

Let's assume at POP there were about 15,000 people which might be a low estimate. If two people died in 15,000, that's a 0.00013 mortality rate. That is miniscule. I personally see no need to shut down events because of deaths because I was there and I had an absolute blast. There have to be changes from within to promote safety, but it is typical bureaucratic bullshit that when bad things happen, everything has to be shut down and a blanket ban has to be issued instead of actually investigating the causes of what happened and then working to fix them.

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Originally Posted by DJ Asand

my camelback got confiscated at an event. no joke...

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On a related note, I've got to hand it to clubs and rave organizers…if a lot of people are going to be doing drugs, that means that your alcohol sales will suffer…and they found a way around it: charge $12 for a bottle of water.

Oh wait…all that's doing is ensuring that some people will be cheap and not drink enough water…which also seriously affects people who are drinking.

I had a press pass to Ultra one year…and it felt like I spent almost as much time shuttling water from the hospitality areas to my friends as I did on stage taking pictures. Oddly enough, everyone I talked to was in favor of it as long as I didn't actually empty a water bin that an artist was likely tot use.

It's sad.

I know that drugs impact liquor sales, but…well…them's the breaks. Charging for water is just fucking stupid.

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Originally Posted by mostapha

Charging for water is just fucking stupid.

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Isn't it true that it's illegal to charge for a cup of water? I mean someone could give you the smallest cup in the world but they technically have to give it to you for free, right?

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Originally Posted by bobbylight

Isn't it true that it's illegal to charge for a cup of water? I mean someone could give you the smallest cup in the world but they technically have to give it to you for free, right?

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in the US that is LAW and can be charged if not followed. But as we see it's not enforced well.

When i was younger I took a hold of this law when I was skateboarding and would go to places getting water, even offices allowed us in to only get water... then soon booted out before skating there HAHA.

I can understand if it's a desert party since those are held outside in the desert and not at an actual venue. Though at those you have to watch yourself pretty well because if something happens... you may not get help for quite some long time.

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Originally Posted by mostapha

If you think the dodgyness of the pills is in any way related to heat stroke, you're part of the problem

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Steady on.

Hyperthermia is a well documented risk of things like 5HTP, and anyway I don't think saying pills can be dangerous is going to do anyone any harm.

Just Say No!