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I'm planning to buy a new mixer and I want to invest in a good one. I play deep/tech house and I'm stuck between DJM2000 and Xone DB4. I like DB4 but then I think it might be too complicated and I won't be able to use it to the max. On the other hand I was going to buy DJM2000 but then I saw Xone DB4 :) . Also the clubs in toronto mostly use pioneer and I think that if i buy DB4 then I'll stick with Xone forever. I use traktor S4 as well. Which one is a better choice?
I'd say the Xone since I don't see the 2000 becoming club standard any time soon so the usual "Pioneer is club standard" argument doesn't apply. However, given http://www.djtechtools.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37515 you may want to wait a bit to see what the new Xone product is before you shell out for the db4
i would just throw the DJM 900 in the ring. Personally it would be a battle for me between a 900 or a db4. Tough call, but I really like my 700. Regardless can't go wrong.
Well you won't find a 2000 at any club, it will be all 800s and 900s, just like I doubt you will find a db4 at a club, if you are lucky it will be a 92 or this new thing coming out.
Personally, I think Xones undeniable sound better, are built better, feel better, look better, and are just more satisfying to mix on. The Pioneer mixer just feel like cheaper plastic and are shakier to me and before the built in FX thing was always a big selling point but I think most of them sounded crappy anyway. Hopefully A&H will change that but I don't see Xones overtaking club installs in areas that are already favored by pioneer.
So it really depends a lot on how important it is for you to have a setup that closely matches a typical club install. If you want to practice on pioneer so you are used to playing out on pioneer, get a 900. If you don't really care and want to have the best all around crazy mixer for your personal mixing pleasure, get the Xone.
Are Xones full metal? I own several DJM's and dont feel like plastic at all, except the knobs, but they feel pretty solid to me! What am I missing?
the 2000 is toilet lol its huge and over priced. The 900 is a much better choice imo. Ive seen roger sanchez use a 2000 a fair bit, but thats about it. In europe its about 50/50 with the pioneer vs xone mixers in club set ups, with a lot of clubs also having both.
But saying all of that! you have to decide what you want the mixer for then decide if you want features, looks, club standard in your area etc
I had the same opinion, then I used a friends 900 and was blown away. The xone 92 is still a favorite of mine too though. Those long faders, filters, aux in's and 4 band eq = sex of a mixer!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
+ this. Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
The knobs and faders feel a lot better and the whole thing is all metal. Aside from the meh plastic knobs and caps the faders and pots themselves don't feel as solid.Quote:
Originally Posted by DjZzeless
Yeah the 900 is a seriously nice mixer; I'd go for that over the 2000 -- people say the DB4 looks overcomplicated but I would say the 2000 looks far more complicated than the DB4. And if you use the DB4 for half an hour you'll see it's extremely well designed from the perspective of having the basic functions intuitive and easy to get to. The 2000? I wouldn't know where to start with that touch screen. It looks like it can do some seriously cool shit but I'd be scared to leave a setting on one of the menus in the wrong place and then not be able to find it again, lol. But I've never used the 2000; I played a gig on the 900 for a few hours and the DB4 I played with for a couple hours in a store. The 900 is just intuitive as hell and feels really nice. The effects are easy to figure out and to get to and to adjust. But the amount of control you have over them is limited. I'm sure the 2000 gives you way more control but with a lot more complexity. The DB4 gives you a lot more control without the complexity. And seriously better sound, though I don't think any of these mixers is a slouch in the sound department.
DB4, or this new A&H mixer, looks beast.
Personally i'd say the DJM 900... well tidy. I just got the DJM800 and love it :)
I'd like to see all these xone fan boys take a blindfold pepsi challenge on a club system and see if they can really tell the difference.
I think sound quality wise they are much a muchness. All very good :)
club systems are where those differences are revealed the most.
DB4, don't even have to think about it. :)
Exactly !Quote:
Originally Posted by mix architekt
When I got my Xone we tested a djm 800 vs Xone 92r back2back on 4+2 set (Dap Pro), without limiters, eq's, ... so straight mixer -> amps -> speakers
INSANE how big the difference was :D
Using the xone's eq in the right way added so much depth to the sound...incredible. Most clubs have a audio guy and the good one's have a bag of tricks to 'improve' (and limit) the dj's output. So a simple set up sounds more honnest.
The sound of DJM900 is MUCH better then the old 800, but I still don't like them effects. I haven't heard or fondled a DB4 in the wild/store but if the DB2 deliveres (same EQ/ISOLATOR/FILTER & soundcard DB4, 4 channels & <1500 euro)...the Xone 92 is going to be promoted to back-up.
I do hope A&H did their homework on those filters...the old analogue filters ruled the world !
DB4 hands down. I play the same style you play, and mixing with the isolator on the DB4 is just super!
I would suggest you try both mixers before making a decision, since in the end its just a matter of personal taste. They are both good mixers, so you cant go wrong with either of em.
Oh, and A&H is launching new products later this week. Make sure to wait for those ;)
Those idiots at Ministry of Sound haven't got a clue eh...
http://basskleph.posterous.com/dj-bo...f-sound-london
DJM2000 and DJM800
Surprised anyone even plays there :rolleyes:
They do, thats why they have a Xone V6:
http://www.rane.com/dj/mosbooth.jpg
http://createdigitalmusic.com/files/...pre2k6/mos.jpg
;)
As I said, we're both right. Both the pioneers and xone's are good for big pro clubs on massive systems.
Just horses for courses.
I've played on both xone and pio on massive systems and i'm yet to see a crowd walk out cause the music is being played on a pioneer mixer.
Luckily I wasnt one of the people saying the other brand is crap. Au contraire:
:)Quote:
I would suggest you try both mixers before making a decision, since in the end its just a matter of personal taste. They are both good mixers, so you cant go wrong with either of em.
Indeed. Isn't it nice when we all get along :)
A lot of the features go unused with super maximal pop stuff but for deeper prog and tech stuff with a lot of long blends the DB4 is a godsend.
is there a way to nudge or pitchbend a loop on the DB4?
I'm not sure, the bpm detector is super accurate and they are pretty spot on unless you change the pitch on something else while it's loopingQuote:
Originally Posted by Rexx
hi there, i am in this place right now. debating which mixer to go for. i like the 2000 for it's
connectivity (link feature with cdj's, quantize, etc.), plus after watching carl cox playing with
all the fx it all seems so on hand and simple (ish!). can't help thinking it makes sense to buy
a 'matching' mixer for my cdj's. but maybe that's me falling into the pioneer trap !! but, the
db4 has so much good stuff written about it in terms of build, better fx, etc. so, i am wondering
if you have made your decision yet? and if so, are you happy with the choice you made?
basically, i am trying to educate myself as much as possible before buying. it's a big buy !! has
anyone found any limitations with either mixer? anything that disappointed them? no matter
how trivial ! what about the 900 nexus? although it doesn't have all the connections the 2000
has? but then again, neither does the db4 ! i just can't figure out which is best for me and my
setup. any help from anyone is much appreciated.
the db4 is a amazing bit of tech love mines but what this about a new a & h mixer ?