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Ok - So most of you probably know of Flo Rida's attrocities in regards to butchering decent progressive house / clubby tracks and turning them into him rapping over the top of them....
Anyway - How does he manage to do this without really accrediting the original artists.
For Example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQaK5FsGKHI
Can anyone bring any light to this? Because i find it a little dodgy imo.
Probably by paying them a hell of a lot of money.
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Originally Posted by Hoodless
Re-using, re-sampling, re-mixing has been going on for a long time. Don't know what the issue is :confused:
The thing is, he just raps over the top of the song with no accreditation to the original artist - so unless some serious rights have been bought - i don't understand how he manages it.Quote:
Originally Posted by manchild
But lots of $$$$ does make sense.
a few years ago i remember hearing somewhere that if you use no more than 29 seconds of a track theres nothing that can be done about it, i may be wrong so don't shoot me down if i am, :confused:
I think it's 10% - so depends on the length of the song.Quote:
Originally Posted by brian_johnstone
But all this is more than 10% for sure. Just because he raps over the top doesn't mean that it is a new song.. or even a remix.
what makes you think he isn't giving credit to the original artist or paying them? It also has more to do with who owns the rights which may or may not be the artist, the label may own it and it may be the label Flo Rida is on, I don't know if this is the case in this situation but its a posibility. Im sure whoever owns the Bingo Players "Cry" and Brenda Russell's "Piano in the Dark" is about to make a fortune when this song really hits. This will be bigger than both those songs.
I think we're all forgetting that Flo Rida has the right to PAAAARTAAAAY!
...erm, I'll shu'up now
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Originally Posted by brian_johnstone
I don't think that's right guys - you 'need' permission regardless of the length.Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkbro
Even if Mr. Rida has to pay 50% royalty fees, if it's a hit then it will make him some cash - more importantly it adds sales to his albums/tours etc.
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Originally Posted by Nicky H
"Tours" being the keyword here. Artists make most of their money by gigging these days.
I remember in an interview somewhere, Justice said that their album Cross had hundreds of samples in it, ranging from 50 Cent, to Queen and Slipknot. But they said that the samples are so short that you can't really distinguish the songs unless you're listening for it. But these two scenarios are different, this is quite outrageous with Flo Rida. I mean look at him, he's even ripping off a US state for his stage name :PQuote:
Originally Posted by sparkbro
can't we all just agree that he should not be aloud to make music
I never understand the arguement. The artists being sampled give permission and are getting paid to let Flo Rida or anyone else use their material. I don't think Brenda Russel or whoever owns the rights to "Piano in the Dark" ever thought they would get paid any more royalties besides the countless 80s compilations the song appears on. I'm quite sure they are pretty happy because some producers and then a rapper decided to use a sample of the hook in a way they never thought of and are now getting paid for it.
if u read the sleeve notes, all credits will reside in there
But the thing is that Bingo players realistically will never get the recognition for the song that they deserve. Flo Rida is going to make millions off their work, adding some bad lyrics over it and not changing anything. It's not that he sampled the song, and mixed it with other samples to create something original like Daft Punk or others, he copied it from beginning to end. And what you're saying about getting permission is true, but it's not a fact of legal rights, it's a fact of moral rights. It's sad that it has come down to money, because I would feel horrible as an artist if my work is providing for someone else's living expenses and I get no credit for it. He's never going to thank or acknowledge Bingo Players for their part in the song, because in his eyes it's HIS song now. It's sad that we've come to that point where money rules everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj matt blaze
It always comes down to money, Antlantic records is a subsidary of Warner Music International, who has 18.4% of all records sold in the U.S. I'm guessing Warner either also has the artists that Flo Rida uses or knows that he's such a bankable name bankrolls the use of the tracks in his songs.
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04-11-2011 - Flo Rida - Good Feeling (Bingo Players Remix) OUT NOW!
Bingo Players have delivered another banging remix, this time for Warner/Atlantic recording artist 'FLO RIDA'! Check out the official Beatport release for 'Good Feeling', FLO RIDA's current single : bit.ly/sn4ZzD"
But you are forgetting 1 thing, most likely, the Bingo Players don't care. He didn't "copy" it, he was given permission and had to pay for it. The Bingo Players will make more money off of Flo Rida and his version then they did on their own. It's funny to me that this is the thinking now because everyone wants to be a rock star and center stage and is worried about recognition and being acknowledged. It appears in the liner notes, they don't get care that majority of people will have no idea that they made the track and I'm sure they were more than happy to give it to Flo Rida for a handsome fee and many incoming royalty checks for the downloads plus they will make even more when this song gets tons of airplay. Money always ruled everything, its nothing new. This is also something that had been going on since sampling started. I don't how many rappers have sampled countless records from the 70's taking entire instrumental verses, looping them and rapping over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by elio_xh
Just go here and you will find out what exactly is sampled and from where....http://www.whosampled.com/
I don't have a problem with what Flo Rida does. He is successful because people buy/listen to his music. He certainly isn't the fist artist, or the last. A few opionions on here seem more upset that he is more 'EDM' than other's.
Look at rap music, especially a lot of famous hip hop from the mid to late 90's sampled all kind of old artist. Dr. Dre was a master at sampling.
I really don't see what the big deal is. I like 'Wild One's'. Though it was a good song. 'Good Feeling' was produced by Avicii, and sampled his version of the sample from Eta James.
I don't understand the sudden outcry over this issue, Flo-Rida is not even close to being the first artist to have done this. I'm sure their are a bunch of "remixes" in your library, and songs w/ samples taken from other songs. Just cause you dn't like the music, doesn't make it wrong all of the sudden, or make it any more wrong than other songs you like that have sampled other music. Hating Flo-Rida is a dumb reason to have issue with what has been going on basically ever since music was created. C'mon man
I just think its funny that he raps over songs that have already been sampled....we are getting to a stage where sampled songs are being sampled again, or three times.
I could care less about the issue but its annoying to get requests for songs that I would usually play the remix or sample of...I already see it coming with this song.
I liked the bingo players version and most ppl enjoyed it when i played it out. Now ppl will come up and say what remix of flo rida's song is this when i play the bingo players song.
Honestly I don't care just the general public's music knowledge on this sort of thing annoys me.
Like when i play daft punk and they ask why Kanye isn't rapping.
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Originally Posted by Rukks
He just isn't sampling the song... Just making a 'new song' by rapping over the top of the original and hopefully paying $$$ to the original artists to have their name removed.
It just sucks that the music industry has come to this... But i guess it's a necessity these days
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Sampling has been going on for the longest. I'm pretty sure he gives credit & pays royalties for his track samples.
Accreditation doesn't mean including the original artist or song title in the release name.
If you read the CD cover, it will say "includes elements of ****, by **** ****".
Niiiiice!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesc
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can't we all just agree that he should not be allowed to make music
Which is a good example of down the line sampling, because Daft Punk sampled Edwin Birdsong's Coca Cola Baby to make that track. So on it goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rukks
You are very wrong there. I read Madonna is being sued for 'Vogue' twenty odd years on for sampling some horns and strings that were 'intentionally hidden'. The samples were taken from 'Love Break' aka 'Chicago Bus Stop' by Salsoul Orchestra, which like Vogue, was mixed by Shep Pettibone. The company suing her is an investment group that buys up music catalogues to make dough. They reckon they have super duper software to spot samples and they're gonna get everyone. They are a pox upon the face of music.Quote:
Originally Posted by brian_johnstone
Oh and Flo Rida is bollocks.
Why is this an issue? Remember early rap hits, like Rapper's Delight? They were all based on full songs with raps on top. Of course, Sugarhill Records actually rerecorded the songs with their own band to avoid paying royalties on the recordings, just like Dr. Dre on Chronic.
http://www.whosampled.com/sample/vie...Bottle%20Baby/Quote:
Originally Posted by UncleFunky
Good call....learn something new everyday.
Yes, he is sampling Piano in the Dark which is sampling Cry (Just a Little) but you should look into the producers of Flo Rida's track. Paul Bäumer and Maarten Hoogstraten make up the Bingo Players and oh look! Bäumer and Hoogstraten are credited as co-producers of I Cry so they have been given their due. Before you cry wolf about sampling and Flo Rida copying or jacking beats or what have you, make sure you check and see who is credited with the making of the song.
Ahkay thanks for bringing this up. Makes sense. I assume that would be the same with the other songs he's done - Good Feeling etc etc. I'm sure there are more.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbylight
As someone else in this thread said. It's just the fact that he doesn't widely publicise where he got it from - so random party goers and the general public are just like "Who's remix is this"... Even if it was originally sampled.
Oh well.
/Rant.
I really don't mind sampling when it's taken from a track that is a decade or two old and has a new spin added to it. But recently it just seems like Flo Rida looks for a hot track on the Beatport Top 10 and adds, in my opinion, some really bad lyrics to it.
No argument there. You speak the truth. While it is annoying, it's brilliant at the same time. Since 'EDM' is so big right now, why not sample some of the biggest and most popular songs and make money off them?Quote:
Originally Posted by FVN DEVIL
well...out of the thousands and thousands and thousands of samples that have been used over the last 25 years...where has any artist or producer ever widely publicised where they got the samples from except for in the liner notes of a CD, just like that of Flo Rida....I don't know what exactly you expected....they get credits in the liner notes, they get paid a fee and royalties, why would the general public know that??Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkbro
i was thinking that exact thing and was wondering what would be good enough to be considered widely publicized. going on a talk show and specifically citing all of the samples? or maybe a cover story in a large music based magazine? 24 hour news coverage? either way, he could have done that and no one would really know or care anyhow.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj matt blaze
it seems like a double standard to me to get upset about one particular artist doing what almost all artists do in this situation. i bet that anyone who is ranting about flo rida doing this isn't going through their collection finding the artists they respect who are doing the exact same thing. in some cases worse...just stealing the sample and mutilating it or making it short enough that hopefully no one finds out about it and sues them. at least flo rida is doing it legit. (disclaimer: personally i don't really care if people take samples either legally or not...just don't cherry pick one person out of everyone to be mad at).
Bingo Players (or whoever created the original sample) will make more out of this then Flo Rida I'd imagine.
I don't get why anyone is losing their shit over this. Pop star makes crap pop song that he didn't write. SHOCK!
I'm more concerned about a Bingo Players song being labelled Progressive House. I remember when we used to call Sasha and Diggers Prog House. :(