Ok People the new CDJs are out.
What do you think about them ??
http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/content/pr.../cdj-2000.html
http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/content/pr...s/cdj-900.html
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Ok People the new CDJs are out.
What do you think about them ??
http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/content/pr.../cdj-2000.html
http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/content/pr...s/cdj-900.html
I have to say, its pretty much what we expected. Unfortunately it brings nothing new to the table for laptop jocks, who have all these facilities already.
For me, its major place is in bringing over cdj's dj's to the digital arena. If part of your workflow becomes the routine use of a computer to prep tracks, then it will become part of your mindset.
All in all, nice one pioneer, but I don't think this is the way the market is going.
I'm a big fan of Pioneer but would i go and spend the cash on these ?
But i must admit if the platter works as well as it does on the CDJ's then i think this is a cool controller !
very expensive. And, like dj moonie wrote, nothing really new for the inclined "DJ Tech Tools" guys :-)
Still, if it's widely adapted by clubs, it might be a nice alternative to carrying around your laptops and controllers -- just plug in an USB stick and off you go.
Thats it ! slip SD in your pocket and your away! I do like the look of it though!
I haven't clicked on the pioneer links yet, but I've just been sent this Youtube link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&v=jJ-S9Xf3waY
Got to agree with Moonie. It's not adding anything we haven't already got in software.
There's no way in hell I'd pay $4300 for a pair; plus as peeps on other forums have mentioned, they're useless unless clubs get them installed asap
CDJ's are everywhere, whereas I've not seen all that many venues with USB-compatible players
Plus the rekordbox software is useless unless you're using a CDJ-2000, whereas CD's will work in any player and your laptop comes with you
I think it's too little too late... (although if I won the lottery I wouldn't say no rofl)
As I've mentioned above, there are no new features here that laptop dj's haven't already expected for the last couple of years. Also, although the colour screen is nice, the reality is that browsing through anything but small or very well organised playlists on that size screen isn't going to be fun.
The real power of the laptop over dedicated hardware like this, is that it can leverage multiple tools to create the workflow you want.
If all clubs had em, I'd use em.
They probably won't get them, at least for another 3-4 years anyway, if ever and i'm not going to buy them, not at that price.
Having these at home and then not being able to use them in a club would be pointless, you'd never bring them with you. If you did, you might as well bring laptop and controller, which would be easier to set up.
If all clubs get these, great, i'm sure we'd all be on it. I won't hold my breath.
Oh i can do this with traktor since... hum can't remember...
And with the vci and ean's mapping i can do this on 4 tracks at a time and release them sync-ed... And it's less expensive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uENYv-XMfuM
I have to say, i would love to go in a club with just my SD card (and an other one for backup, even if they are rock solid) and just plug it in and play on 4 decks ! I have to work on my 4 decks beatmatching tho :eek: haha
but.. you only get the software if you've bought the cdj's, so how are you going to prep unless you also have these things at home ?
This has been my point for a while!!! To use in a club your gonna need them at home ...Quote:
Originally Posted by djmoonie
... and the people saying they would be a cool controller !! WTF!!! Thats some seriously expensive controller .. just buy a full Traktor scratch setup and a controller with buttons and knobs! And you'll still have money to spare. :)
Big ol flop if you ask me
With you 100% there Bento.
I think pioneer should have teamed up with a laptop maker and created either a hyrbid PC, or gone full out and done something like the xone 4d.
I think debate about their suitability for home/practice use is kinda a waste of time, the mk3 was by no means suitable for the price conscious dj, it is all about the clubs, which is reflected in the features.
It would be great if pioneer did something directly aimed at our end (/niche) in the market but from the first announcement alone it was obvious it would not be.
I really cant see these being adopted by clubs in the same manner the Mk3 was however because at this point most DJ's who really crave the extra level of control and creativity have all ready switched and by the time most clubs are looking to upgrade that user base will have exploded, and wont be looking back.
I think the coolest thing for us as (mostly) non serato users the coolest thing is that it can be used as a interface which greatly simplifies setup, especially when switching between two laptop dj's.
Don't be fooled. Whilst Pio have put their stamp on the 'pro' market, I bet you that the number of units (from across the range) shipped to individual dj's as opposed to clubs, is much much bigger.
I also don't think that price necessarily determines features. It *may* in some cases reflect build quality, but the very essence of this thread is that you can get everything you want from these babies at a fraction of the price if you go down the fully digital route.
Pioneer need to adapt to this change.
IMO: I think that while the cd djing is approaching the "traditional" digital djing, it is likely that the leap to Traktor/Ableton world becomes smaller for the djs. Especially with these kind of price ranges, controllers like OTUS and Stanton SCDHSFwhatdoyoucallitdecksortofthingie are likely to get more popular amongst the djs, and thus copied by the chinese companies.
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Originally Posted by BentoSan
+1 ...Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterMoleyMole
i can't see this product becoming anywhere near as popular as the cdj-1000s.
Looks like a decent unit overall, but terrible timing.
All the cdj-2000 and 900 are is just a glorified cdj-1000/800. They are nice players, but c'mon, who wants to spend that kind of cash these days? Also, am i the only one still disappointed the 900 doesn't have hot cues? (i know it's a 1000/2000 more $$$ feature but it's not like it costs them any more money to implement.)
Mixed reviews everywhere but remember this is a pioneer product and they very rearly get anything wrong,i love my vci but i think these will be a huge hit.
Ibiza 2010 they will be everywhere...just think cdj 1000 have been out a longtime and never break so its about time clubs upgrade there players.
Why ?? If people don't have these at home they are as much use as the standard cdj1000/800's (a cd player) all that added functionality is pointless. The people that use laptops will still bring laptops and a controller. The people against digital djing will just use cd or vinyl still on technics or an existing cdj.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoothoot81
Clubs with money to burn will upgrade but i bet the extra funtionality will only be used by rich kids and then even if these rich kids have them at home not all clubs will have this setup so it becomes pointless yet again.
I really cant see this taking off at all. There is no convenience at all basically. Its still far more convenient and safe to just bring cds or your own digital setup ie laptop and controller.
If there was some sort of standard for the storage of cue points, loops and all that then they would be MUCH more useful.
Pioneer is actually in a position to be pushing this sort of standard but i doubt its going to happen >=(
This isn't innovation. Not surprising, but still disappointing.
But the opinions thus far are pretty much my own.
Pioneer...you guys need to make an amazing midi controller, you guys are definately capable of making one, but seriously for way cheaper I can get 3units with encoded rotaries and motorized faders with motorized platters, did i mention for the cost of just one cdj2000?!
+1 this is just giving users what they have been crying out to pioneer to give them for a very long long time and even then they are still falling a little short of what truely is going to be the next gen of gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by DvlsAdvct
Thats an unfair comparison really, remember these things have computers/soundcards built into the unit.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ_Animus
fair enough, I suppose Im just underwhelmed =( I was excited for nothing, I suppose this wasnt marketed for controllerists?
I am underwhelmed too :(Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ_Animus
And no it wasnt marketed at controllerists at all, infact i dont even think Pioneer has even really picked up on the whole controllerism thing yet at all - feel free to mail them and tell them that they need to :p
probably better off having ean tell them to just look at our lovely community of users here to see where DJing is headed, surely they would listen to him (nobody listens to me lol)
Like many others has said, is this a "new breed"? Not in my book, not even close.
Sure, it looks like a nice player but I still think that this will be the nail in the coffin for pioneers club standard dictatorship. They have basically no new features besides the color screen for browsing and the price tag is the most inane I've ever seen.
And for a midi-only no-scratch DJ like myself I wonder why on earth they kept that enormous jog-wheel now that they've implemented quantiniztion. Why not shrink the jog wheel and make room for more hot cues, effect controls or some other cool feature?
Or better yet, create a CDJ-2000 and a CDJ-3000, one with a giant jog wheel and the other with a tiny jog wheel but tons of buttons for midi-mapping/new features?
im not paying 3000$ for a pos
Change the game? A new breed? Not impressed.
For the price of 1, you could have an APC-40, VCI-100, VCM-600, and software. For the second one a nearly maxed out laptop, and you're still missing a mixer if you need a home setup. I fail to see where getting the "traditional" setup has any benefit.
Or they can help to pioneer (oh, look what I did there?) something new and innovative like the CDJ-1000 was for the time. They are going to ride their trademark into their own grave unfortunately. I think they would have been in the position to actually help push a new movement.
And yeah, I've spent the cost of one of those things on my current setup and have massive amounts of functionality.
I understand their desire to try and provide a stronger club standard, but there are steps they could have taken for that. If they had provided a DVS to combine with it so the user could tag and build his tracks at home without the need for those decks, then maybe, MAYBE, the would be going in the right direction. It still wouldn't be the best option. But hell, I barely know what I was hoping for from them, it just definitely wasn't this.
Really mixed opinions on this. Its definitely not new breed but then again it is Pioneer and the name does sell.
I think its gonna be the cost factor that will make or break this product.
Waiting for someone to get a couple of these on an ethernet hub, sniff the traffic and find cool stuff :)
wasn't the 900 supposed to be aimed at the controller market? what fcking controller has a price tag of $2k?
pioneer i'm calling shenanigans..
I was watching the video with laidback luke and van buren with the cdj2000 and it was like looking into the past. They seemed so excited that they could finally make and save accurate loops. Also laidback luke mention the griding of tracks which he said there was so many new possibilities with.(software has been doing this forever). Can you imagine what their reaction would be towards a arcade vci with tsp (they would probably think its from another planet).
I would have loved to see them try to convert the same functionality and feel of one of those cdj1000's into a usb midi controller (I guess that will stay in a dream world for now). I like the idea of the new controllers that you buy with a midi mixer and two separate midi decks. Its just too expensive for what it does compared to what less costly midi controllers can do.
Exactly! why boast as a new species and then stick a cd/dvd drive in the thing. A version of the 900 with no cd/dvd and cheaper price tag would have been a winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by djhipnotikk