http://m.billboard.com/articles/colu...date-cancelled
That was surprising..
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you mean EZF not EDC
Electric Zoo Festival
EDC is Electric Daisy
couple people died. MDMA was found on scene
Kaskade had a really good point he made about it in a reply
actually i made the same one just before my wife found his on facebook
What does Extacy and getting high have to do with electronic music festivals? nothing
its what people will do anywhere else too so if you are going to get high at these events thinking youll have a better time
stop being selfish and stay the -F- home so you dont ruin it for everyone else
now that two dates are cancelled and no one will be paid back for them
the organizers are gonig to pay some serious fines, as well as STILL have to pay the artists - vendors - staffing involved even though the dates dont take place.
What do you think this is going to do for their budget for next years EZF ?
3 years of this RUIN and shut down the Boo Festivals.
not because of drugs but because of bad weather. 3 years in a row, then the entire organization lost its money to the point of not being able to maintain itself. So they shut down.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/38529...usaolp00000008
Here's a decently thought out editorial on the subject.
Found it interesting that Bonaroo has had 10 deaths over the years.
Unfortunately, deaths at large gatherings of young people has happened way before EDM and will happen in the future.
Yes I meant EZF I don't know why I typed EDC maybe I'm still living in the past or something, but check this out its so true http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/02/5adazu6y.jpg
To me its as simple as making the drugs legal so people can become educated about them and so the drugs will be pure and not cut with everything under the sink...
what happened to dancesafe? get your shit tested for free at the party...
I understand and agree with the sentiment, but you are ignoring an inconvenient truth. Drugs are part of this culture as much as violence is in the current rap culture, and it always has been. Disagree? Please explain classic songs like Everything Starts With An E, or Energy Flash, where "ecstasy" is just repeated over and over. MDMA is just as much a part of the culture as music is. It's the sketchy uncle that no one wants to talk to, see, or admit exists, but he is still there. Ignoring won't help. I'm not saying accepting it is the way to go, but it needs to be addressed. Not ignored. Just acting like it's not part of the music doesn't help people make the right choices or educate them to what can be poor ones either.Quote:
Originally Posted by antifmradio
And for what it's worth on the subject of BOO, look into who produced it, and who is doing some of the larger events in NY now.
Yeah but that's like alcohol, it's been legal for mad long and we know alot about it but yet people still getting alcohol poisoning a die no matter if its legal or not people will die of it, they could make alot of money off of it by making it legal but that's a long stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by AllDay
soulwax : e-talking :)
most of the artists are high too.
Except people arent dieing from pure drugs lmao, they are dieing when its cut with things that can kill you.Quote:
Originally Posted by KarbonNY
of course SOBIQuote:
Originally Posted by sobi
we are on the same page. i am certainly not new to seeing what happens and how these two things tie into eachother.
However, there is no magic switch on anyones back that you can flip to make them do what you want.
its the person themselves that choose to do things, drugs, drink, steal, or even to do things out of favor and generosity.
what i dont agree to is how media keep ties the two things together.
drugs are drugs
music is music
what? no one talks about the substance abuse that Mozart inflicted on himself because its called Classical music? he was an avid drinker
how about Hector Berlioz who was am opium addict?
no lets not put that into our current news broadcasts or into the new york times when remembering music and its culture,
instead lets talk about how kids today (and only today) all use MDMA if they listen to electronic music
lets make all the parents think that if they send their child off to a rap concert, they will bump into at least 16 people who have a gun while their little sisters get gang banged willingly in the parking lot before the concert
and a mosh pit only exists at a ROCK concert where the worst thing to happen is Cocaine and Weed.
Sorry Sobi, im on a rant. This is the exact reason my wife doesnt understand why i dont like to sit down and watch the news while she loves it. I keep reading between the lines / lies/ yellow journalism just grinds my gears
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Agreed. Even this forum has a strict "no drug talk" policy for some reason, even if the discussion is mature and productive. The moderators even close threads that discuss the need for discussing drugs (this thread is probably getting shut down soon). There has to be a responsible and PG way to talk about this taboo subject, even if it takes a little extra moderation.Quote:
Originally Posted by sobi
Things that can kill you like what? Drugs? Drugs are cut with other drugs... Drugs don't kill the person, the person kills themselves by taking the drugQuote:
Originally Posted by AllDay
Yes this is true but it's like covering the truth, it is what it is, we can't sugar coat what happened, "kids had too much sugar and they crashed" doesn't sound right. It is a PG forum but the sad part is that real life is not PG.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdownesbaird
Just how far is too far? That's what everyone is going to be concerned about.. In Ny we have had some bad incidences with news and EDM festivals, anyone remember the Haunted Coliseum about a year ago when it was shut down early because people died, well now it's Ezoo and it will just make it harder and harder for a show to get played in Ny because there will be people 100000% against it.
You make no sense dude? Mdma in a pure form is fine. With it being illegal it gets made by some random dude in a bathtub to begin with then gets cut many times before you even get it. you see my point yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by KarbonNY
It makes alot of sense dude, and I gotcha now.Quote:
Originally Posted by AllDay
It's pretty simple if you ask me. I don't know anything about drugs, never done em, don't wanna try em. I know that they aren't allowed at the festivals or in the clubs. Thy are illegal. End of story. Don't tell me they go hand and hand with the scene because that just makes the scene sound horrible and will make it harder and harder to have shows.
Look at NYC 15-20 years ago. The clubs were a drug supermarket. Enough people died and the mayor got involved. Fast forward to today and there's nothing like there used to be around NY anymore. That a conversation for another day.
RIP to the party goers, I hope people learn from their mistakes.
I agree, they think this will give a hint to the other festival goers to notQuote:
Originally Posted by dirty moose
Do drugs, it won't but when you do drugs you know the risk.
eh... I have been in plenty of clubs where people are bumping k and many other drugs right on the dancefloor. It may not be right in your face like you think it use to be, but its still there...Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty moose
Yeah the drugs are as bad as they were if people want to take drugs in the club they'll take drugs in the club, bouncer won't find anything if they conceal it right and most of them get through, I remember at pacha there was this guy who had bags and bags of "smarties" PG rating, and there was a UC that was searching him and the security guards were all surrounding him and as me and my friends were leaving about 5-6 NYPD officers came rushing in.. It's unfortunate and stupid but it happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
Prove us wrong. Keep this thread civilized and PG friendly. As soon as it switches to the wrong lane it gets the lock and infractions will be sent to the offending users.
PS: Fixed the thread title.
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Thank you, my mistake will never be annoying me again! ahah and i will definitely keep it good for the public. Lets keep this thread alive and well:thumbup:
I know it still there. But as long as it still around and not legal, it will make it harder and harder to have good music festivals.
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Originally Posted by dirty moose
Thats the sad thing, this will keep happening and it will be harder and harder not only to have good music festivals but also keep them here and gain new ones, people dont understand how much damage theyre doing for the future, now there is going to be legislators that will fight so hard to keep "EDM Festivals" out of NY, but you cant stop people from doing what they want to do until they cant do it anymore. NY is 2/3 for closing big festivals down in the past year because of deaths...
Drugs have always been part of dance music...
The fact that it has slowly become more 'mainstream' is one of the only reasons people are surprised...
Look at all of us educated djs who are saying the same thing, we know it is a problem and we choose to not let this affect our love for the music.
The people who have only started listening to it over the last few years would be none the wiser about this problem.
Educate the masses...
So...your chance of dying at ezoo (estimating 100K people over the three days) is 2/100k... You are just as likely to accidentally drown as an adult male according to the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6119a4.htm)... Should we ban swimming at the beach, lakes, and backyard pools? Kid jumped two fences and got his head kicked off at an amusement park...should we ban those as well? Alcohol is a staggering FOURTEEN TIMES AS DEADLY as attending a festival and using Molly. Using data from 2007, alcohol related deaths claimed 28.3/100k people in the US (http://ibis.health.state.nm.us/indic...elatedDth.html). Alcohol just happens to be a socially accepted form of drug use (and abuse).
Look, I went to Ultra for three days, and I took "pop-rocks" every single day, and I didn't die. I felt great everyday, actually, and the only thing that got to me was the loud music and exhaustion from 3 days of dancing. In fact, I'm pretty sure the only people that died at Ultra were 2 people setting up the stages (a terrible, and sad accident)...
Maybe we should just ban people who are too stupid to function from attending these events? Believe it or not, intelligence of the population is normally distributed, so there are going to be idiots who can't handle taking drugs because they don't understand how to be as safe as you possibly can while doing so. I.e. - buy a friggen CAMELBAK AND DRINK FREQUENTLY FROM IT. It is VERY DIFFICULT to over hydrate (delusional hyponatremia) and if you are just sipping from your pack throughout the day you will be fine. My friends and I usually carry one or two and fill them up 3 times throughout the day which was good enough for 6 people to stay perfectly hydrated. I went to six flags the other day (not on any drugs) and took my Camelbak, and I drank from it all day, as not to get dehydrated. Dehydration WILL KILL YOU whether you are on Molly or not. Before Ultra, each morning, I drank 2 liters of water mixed with Pedialyte for the electrolytes, then hydrated throughout the day. I had a beer or two to take the edge off, and I was fine. Went to sleep as soon as I got back to our hotel each night, and woke up refreshed and ready to go. It isn't rocket science. Take care of your body and it will take care of you. It is incredibly difficult to die from Molly, even when you get Serotonin Syndrome, which is rarely fatal -
per wiki: Upon the discontinuation of serotonergic drugs, most cases of serotonin syndrome resolve within 24 hours,[1][3][52][53] although in some cases delirium may persist for a number of days.[22] Symptoms typically persist for a longer time frame in patients taking drugs which have a long elimination half-life, active metabolites, or a protracted duration of action.[1]
Cases have reported muscle pain and weakness persisting for months,[54] and antidepressant discontinuation may contribute to ongoing features.[55] Following appropriate medical management, serotonin syndrome is generally associated with a favorable prognosis.[56]
(but coupled with dehydration can be fatal) . Unless these two people were on MAOI's I just don't understand what excuse there could be for them dying, well I suppose unless the molly was cut with arsenic (that is a joke)...
Can we, as adults, please just admit that there are stupid people out there who make bad choices and end up dead? Then can we agree NOT to make decisions based off irrational emotions and instead based in science and statistics? I really hate how people here look down on drugs as something "other people" and "losers" use. Just because YOU don't enjoy taking drugs doesn't mean other people don't, and it doesn't mean that the people that do are bad people or incapable of enjoying the music drug free. The holier than thou attitude needs to stop because you decided to make a different life choice than someone else. Not everyone who does drugs is a sketchball who steals things to pawn so they can support their habit. Molly is not chemically addictive, not especially dangerous - less so than alcohol. Lets not rush to conclusions and start getting judgy and preachy. FYI Kaskade is a Mormon, of course he doesn't believe in taking drugs.
Kid took six hits of molly.
http://gothamist.com/2013/09/02/woma...c_zoo_repo.php
what the hell is "6 hits" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by KarbonNY
does that mean 6 little key bumps? 6 giant lines? 6 grams?
That makes no sense at all.
I know that is what i was saying too? They took six hits.... that is what the girl said before she died and every news station is saying "hits".Quote:
Originally Posted by donstone
that's like saying I had 6 drinks of beer. ok 6 sips from one glass or 6 pints? lol
Honestly the only way to make any of this safer is to legalize it and commercialize it.
21 plus legal just like alcohol if you must. you sell to minors you get arrested just like you would with beer.
People will know exactly what dosage they are getting and exactly what they are getting.
put a limit on the amount you can buy even.
from a safety standpoint there is no reason any drug should be illegal.
It's called personal responibilty.
I've been into this scene for about 8 years, never tried that garbage once.. And I never plan on it. This idea nowadays that going to see your favorite DJ/act should automatically include some kind of party favor is crazy. Hell, 99% of the idiots from where I live currently have no idea who they're seeing(they pretend they do), no idea what songs they have out or what they're hearing, let alone what the dude on stage is even doing.... But I surely know what the main concern for them is... Who has the drugs. If your night has to revolve around doing drugs in order to actually have fun then what the hell are you actually doing? Stay home and be loser there. I understand you can use responsibly, but I just don't understand why it's all of a sudden "necessary" for the new era to use to have fun. I'll never get it. If you're so into the drug itself, then stay home and take it there.Quote:
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Every bar in existence is built around people planning to do the "drug" that the bar servese. Alcohol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwal
It's not an odd thing that people do drugs for enjoyment or focus their entire night around a drug. If it was alcohol wouldn't exist.
People go to the local pub where DJ Joe Schmoe is playing and they can care less who the dj is, they want their drug of choice. in this case alcohol.
Don't compare apples to oranges, otherwise we'd be having a debate on what's worse to take at the club.. Coffee containing caffeine or Tylenol to help ease the pain. Festivals weren't established around the drugs that fill them, don't give me that crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by donstone
A typical dose is .2 grams so I'm guessing 1.2 of very pure and highly serotogenic MDMA. Likely cause of death: seratonin syndrome leading to hyperthermia combined with acute dehydration and consequently an imbalance of electrolytes causing a seizure, hypovolemic shock (lack of properly circulating blood and oxygen) and ultimately death.
The male was found with crystal methamphetamine. A combination of CNS stimulating drugs can lead to acute hyperthermia (this seems to be the case in this situation) as the body loses it's ability to regulate its core temperature. However, as news reports have shown - it took over 4 hours to even get this guy to a hospital. He didnt collapse and die immediately. He was languishing in the summer heat for hours on end with little medical attention. I'm sure, given his size, his health was not the greatest. He's not exactly the poster child for the ironman competition or anything. He was likely suffering from dehydration and electrolyte imbalance as well.
Again - there are steps one can take to prevent these occurrences. Namely: intake of electrolytes pre, post, and if possible, during any situation in which one will be sweating and in a hot environment, whether taking CNS drugs or not. Drinking water throughout the day. Taking adequate breaks during the day to reduce the possibility of overexertion is also recommended. I mean really...sit down and take in the sights for a little bit. If possible carry an NSAID to aid in vasodilation and reduction of body temperature as well as swelling reduction in the brain (although I am not a doctor so I can't speak to any of the potentiating or other effects am NSAID may have in combination with MDMA or any other illicit substance).
Things to not do: do not keep dancing if you feel tired, sick, or have a headache.
Don't take more than you can handle. Any drug you take should be taken with a healthy dose of knowledge and skepticism as to the contents and effect the drug may have. Potency can vary wildly from batch to batch. If you're going to do it - be smart and don't f'ing take the whole lot in one bang. Spread it throughout the day, keep the good vibes going, and never lose control.
Don't "keep pushing" to extend your high. My rule of thumb is generally; I've bought enough before the concert, if I need to buy more there because I'm just not "up" enough, that means I'm either a) serotonin depleted, exhausted, dehydrated, or any combination of the three, and I shouldn't be pressing my body further than it's limits just so I can dance an hour or two longer. I'd rather be at the rave coming down, than at the hospital getting strapped down.
Mind you; I no longer use Molly due to my use of SSRI's rendering the drug ineffective. I don't regret it. My quality of life, due to the SSRI's is significantly improved. I still mix and listen to house/electro music and love it, but no, I don't find raves quite as fun.
Anyway, be safe out there. Taking drugs or not, festivals can be dangerous, just like anywhere else with a similar environment, given the summer heat, dancing, and mass crowds. Always be aware and in control of your own body and always know when to stop, sit down, take a break, and appreciate your surroundings. It's amazing what a 10-15 minute break every now and then, especially at an all day festival, will do for your mind, body, and dare I say, spirit.
Mandy doesn't make things good, it augments the experience. Not to mention the energy it gives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwal
As for the "legalise some hard drugs" idea, that wouldn't really solve much. Most people abuse alcohol the first time they have it which is quite bad, but having too much md can have worse consequences. The fact that it's illegal makes people more scared at first. And honestly, I don't really think the quality of drugs would get much better. I mean, look at the food you buy - most of it has been modified in order to be cheaper to make. Decriminalising may be the best idea for non-addictive drugs.
people don't take tylenol to have fun. do they? I might be out of the loop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwal
People will base their entire weekend around drinking beer just to have fun.
People will base their entire weekend around taking molly or coke or whatever.
Same thing
You just have to accept that some people don't give a shit about music and just want to get tipsy with their friends. It's really not that big a deal and if people want to do something just let them do it. You have no right to tell them otherwise.
Will some people die, yep, should we outlaw alcohol too? nope we already know the outcome of prohibtion.
Would you feel safer if your kids were taking mdma pills they bought at CVS or one's from some hippy with random amounts in baggies?
Music is fun
music and alcohol is fun
music and drugs is fun
get off your high horse and accept that people have different ideas of fun.
Drugs have been used since man first discovered chewing on a cocoa leaf made him feel alert and able to complete tasks he couldn't before. Stop being so ignorant and stop talking like an old man. The "new era" talk is bullshit. Drugs as a means of defining and creating a culture have existed forever. Native Americans smoke peyote. It's not some new voodoo. It's an age old social practice that allows individuals to think and feel differently, form social bonds, and find answers that previously eluded them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwal
I'm not naive. Not everyone's experience is so pure and unadulterated. Highly addictive substances like crystal methamphetamine, cocaine, heroin and nicotine create almost unbreakable attachments and dependencies in its users. I know because I've struggled with nicotine use and cessation for years. Sure it doesn't "mess me up" but it's a terrible addiction that I haven't been able to kick even though I want to.
Here's my thing about drug use; if you can use it, manage your life, and handle your responsibilities, than I have no issue. Once you start robbing me to feed your addiction, begging on the street, or going to jail, then something needs to be fixed.
People have always done drugs, it's just never been as big publicly as it is now with the specific "scene" we're discussing(More underground might be the better way to word it). Doing it on your own and managing it isn't even remotely the point I was trying to make. I gave my opinion, then I used my area as an example as to how I see today's younger EDM culture evolving in front of me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank112916
Yes it has. The drug of choice was just typically alcohol for what was a smell sect of the "mainstream top 40's" bar going individuals who got into electronic music. Now a lot of the high risk/low knowledge individuals from that party scene have moved over to the EDM scene and the scary word "drugs" is out in the open.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwal
The fact of the matter is that it's not that somehow drugs have become more a part of the culture, simply that the culture of EDM, which involves drug use much of the time, has become much more mainstream. Ergo, drug use has become more mainstream. Rave culture is now in the public eye because poor little Timmy and Tammy from their white, upper middle class, suburban neighborhoods are turning into Kandi Kids and can't handle themselves properly. Their parents are up in arms and naturally anytime ANYONE dies (unless you're a black or Hispanic male in his late teens/early twenties in the ghetto - sorry non sequitur) the entire populous gets involved to eradicate the non existent epidemic. Sorry but it's going to take more than one pretty white girl dying to convince me there is a real problem. Once it starts to affect the bourgeois it goes from an outlying concern to an immediate issue that needs to be addressed no matter if the issue actually exists or not. (I am neither poor nor a minority, this is just how I see it).
Yes - as more people do something that has a remote chance of killing you - the absolute number of deaths will naturally increase at the rate at which the population of users increases. That's just basic math. Doesn't mean the underlying chance from use, of death, has increased and it doesn't meant people who did drugs as a ratio of those who don't have changed. It's simply the amount of people. Recency bias is a bitch and a half. No one ever talks about the kid who didnt die because he didnt do drugs and sat in a lawn chair all day sipping water and casually listening to music at the festival or rave.