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Can anyone tell me why these turntables are NOT selling???
http://forum.djtechtools.com/showthread.php?t=71324
http://forum.djtechtools.com/showthread.php?t=71325
Is it just because they are over priced? What do you guys think is a fair price for a pair of modded 1210's???
Genuinely interested in your opinion, guys (especially the UK massive!) ;)
No auto-sync. ;)
I think they're worth it, I personally just don't have the capital to invest in them or I would get em myself :(
People are cheap as well
Im guessing the price and mods are possibly putting people off ... selling modded Technics is like selling a modded car, never expect to get back what you put in.
Probably would have more luck shifting them if they were modded back to stock sad to say :(
And mate they do look fabulous - just my 2 cents on why they probably aren't shifting.
Personally, my reaction to them is that the custom decals are disgusting/tacky as hell. I don't understand this culture of 'pimp my ride' when it comes to Technics. They are a CLASSIC design - one of the great all-time pieces of technology of the 20th century (design museums agree). What they precisely don't need is all these modifications, paint, stickers, graphics, crazy LED lights that make the platters look like a kaleidoscope or UFO, etc. I see decks like these on eBay all the time, very heavily modified, and always asking 2x the price of the classic design. I think what you've got to realise is that when you change their appearance so much, you are automatically making them appeal to a much smaller audience (I.e. people who happen to have your exact same taste). I would happily pay £500-750 for some AS NEW condition 1200's/1210's, with all the bodywork intact and unscratched. I wouldn't pay the same for something that looks like a boy racer has had at it.
It's the same reason people struggle to sell their little Corsa hatchbacks after they spend £2k making them look like a Christmas tree on wheels. The vast majority of people don't want to drive it.
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Originally Posted by afxz
Personally, my reaction to them is that the custom decals are kinda tacky. I don't understand this culture of 'pimp my ride' when it comes to Technics. They are a CLASSIC design - one of the great all-time pieces of technology of the 20th century (design museums agree). What they precisely don't need is all these modifications, paint, stickers, graphics, crazy LED lights that make the platters look like a kaleidoscope or UFO, etc. I see decks like these on eBay all the time, very heavily modified, and always asking 2x the price of the classic design. I think what you've got to realise is that when you change their appearance so much, you are automatically making them appeal to a much smaller audience (I.e. people who happen to have your exact same taste). I would happily pay £500-750 for some AS NEW condition 1200's/1210's, with all the bodywork intact and unscratched. I wouldn't pay the same for something that looks like a boy racer has had at it.
It's the same reason people struggle to sell their little Corsa hatchbacks after they spend £2k making them look like a Christmas tree on wheels. The vast majority of people don't want to drive it.
I gotta agree with afxz.
That, plus I can't afford them myself.
Personal opinion from someone who isn't a trader or anything, but I did have to replace my Technics this year...Quote:
Originally Posted by Patch
It's because they're modded, and therefore vastly overpriced.
A modded pair is worth (to me) much less than a regular pair, even if they're in pristine condition or the sexiest mod ever. This seems to be reflected in the market, and it's the untouched decks that go for the most. So it doesn't look like it's just me.
The mods could be the fanciest most expensive gold plated wonder-components ever, but they'll only depreciate the value compared to the original components. The only mod that might be the exception is a change of the phono plugs.
I guess this is partly because you can't buy the originals anymore (it's a bit like toys still in their boxes), and partly because most of us are capable of modding ourselves if we really want to -- and then we can pick and choose, plus know the quality of the work. All I know about a pair of modded decks is that somebody has been meddling with the insides :)
Even stuff like the rubber mats and 45 adapters matter (mats are £30 each to replace). A set of decks with all the accessories, even the pointless ones, is a hint they have been looked after.
My conclusion from early this year was that a pristine pair of unmodified mk2 with boxes is worth about £600+, or £400+ in good condition without the boxes. In the end I waited patiently and luckied on a pair of good condition mk5 for £500 cash, and a single mk2 for £150 that looked rough but turned out to be just dirty and needed recalibrating and is now as good as new :)
I understand that, actually. It makes a lot of sense.
But these are "rescue" Technics. I've nursed them back to great health, and made them presentable.
Now they just need a loving home. :)
at the end of the day, they dont do anything different to a standard pair do they? i bought 1 1210mk2 for £215 which is like brand new, came with the rubber mat on it, original lid, not a mark on it and works like new. My other one i bought for £100, i have put a new pitch fader in complete with board, new power cable, all new ic chips and its been fully serviced and that comes to a total of £210 also has lid with it, and now that one is like new. So £425 compared to £700 and they do the exact same thing. I would never paint mine, as people said your narrowing your market down then, i like the white ones but i would only ever use the face plates to achieve that look.
I would love these if I had a spare £700 lying around.
Absolutely not trying to jack the thread...don't even want to sell anything but I'm curious. I have a pair of PRISTINE 1200 mk2's, original boxes, dust covers, never opened up (the tech's themselves, not the boxes), zero mods, no stickers, kept in flight cases since day one. I dunno, maybe 200 hours of use. I completely understand the modification mentality. I track cars and understand fully that I'll never see that money back during resale but cars and turntables are really two completely different things. Patch's mods have improved the equipment and made it better for everyday use where as putting a bigger turbo on a motor certainly isn't going to prolong the life of a car. Patch's mod do just that...keep the older equipment up to date and preforming better. My question is, would people be willing to pay more, less or the same as what Patch is asking for what I have? Again, not selling, just interested.
Good condition originals are fetching good money. People tend to hold on to Tech's that are in good condition, and a lot of the ones that are available on ebay, etc, are usually quite bashed about from years of use. (Chips/scratches, etc...)
And everyone knows that Silver MKII's are the greatest Turntable ever made by anybody. :thumbup1:
Hey Patch - These look very close to my own custom white 1200s. In the states, the going rate for a reasonable-condition pair is basically $600 (USD). Since you've customized them, you're asking for almost double that. A lot of pros have their 1200s already, and a lot of the kids on techtools can't really afford paying double.
Yeah, I bought a pair of 1210s (individually) for a total of £380. One of them was resprayed, replacement RCAs and has cardas wire in the tonearm. I had to buy a lid and braces for one of them too. I don't think anyone can dispute the value of the ones you're selling, but when people can pick up a perfectly good pair for nearly half that, and do some mods themselves, it looks a lot less attractive. Try flogging them on djforums.com. Might be a better market for them.
Interesting point- to take it back to the car analogy it's like when you see an ultra-low mileage 25yr old classic car come up for sale at a high price. The only person willing to pay a big premium for it will be a collector who will wrap it up and basically keep it as a time capsule- because as soon as you started using it (adding mileage), the exclusivity (and hence value) falls.Quote:
Originally Posted by kindaFAST
As for your 1210s that analogy would probably only be true of a pair that were still in sealed boxes (as new). You would probably get a higher price for yours I would have thought, but maybe not a big premium. Hang onto them in that condition for a few years though and who knows?
I recently purchased a Mk2 here in the UK in similar condition (had apparently been purchased as a spare and hence only used a handful of times, totally original, kept in a flightcase and left in a cupboard for around 7 years)- I had no real way of proving the provenance beyond the usual 1210 checks but it certainly suggested it had lived a quiet life and was essentially immaculate- I purchased it for £240 here in the UK.
As for Patch's, I think they look fantastic. As for pricing, it is a difficult one. I don't tend to see 1210s hanging around for very long at all in any of the classifieds that I follow, which at the most basic level suggests yours are a touch on the expensive side- however as has been stated the colour will certainly limit the appeal and therefore you'd expect them to take longer to sell than a regular set.
If I had the money (and didn't already have 5 TTs!) I don't think I'd have a problem paying £700 for them- like I said I think they look fantastic and all the replacement parts would certainly give peace of mind. Not to mention Bristol is easy driving distance for me!
I guess it's a case of do you continue to hold out for the right buyer who badly wants a pair of excellent condition 1210s in White (knowing you are appealing to a much smaller market), or do you drop the price further (widening your market) until someone else who is just after a pair of great 1210s decides they are willing to pay what you are asking and doesn't mind the cosmetics.
I haven't seen any for this low, yet I haven't really searched too hard either. That's a nice price.Quote:
Originally Posted by botstein
I looked for a while and $600 for a pair is a really good price for good ones. Based on my searching, $700 - $800 is a more typical price that I've seen, but that's not too much of a difference. I paid $850 from guitar center for my pair of 1210 MK II's, but they're in really good condition, and I like the piece of mind of having the 30 day return period in case anything is wrong. I know I could have gotten some in similar condition cheaper, but the peace of mind is what sold me on them. As it stands, I'd say it was one of the better investments I've made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwal
Regarding OP's post...customized or not, that's a hefty price and it's going to be tough as others have said to sell them because a non-customized set can be had for so much cheaper. Trust for used gear that's been customized to hell being sold on the Internet is not easily obtained and in many cases not worth the risk to pay so much more for most people.
I don't think you can really compare European and US 2nd hand prices. In Germany a pair of 1210s is usually around the 700€ mark ;)
You need to look harder, especially living in Chicago. They pop up on Craigslist for as low as $400 for the pair all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwal
To the Op: 1. You want too much for them.
2. If I wanted a modded pair, it's going to be my vision, not yours.
I have never really looked on Craigslist man, mostly eBay lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
I can pick up a rescue dog in the pound for free once I convince them my home is a loving environment :pQuote:
But these are "rescue" Technics. I've nursed them back to great health, and made them presentable.
A lot of you guys should check out the sticky with Xonetacular's insight on the used technics market. #truth
If you are without 1200s (shudder! :) ) and in the market for a pair, it's definitely worth it to check craigslist and ebay every day. It might pay to check out forum's sale sections as well, but not always.
Too expensive matey for all the reasons above.
But basically too dear... if you drop to £550 they will go quick i reckon. Also the ones with the technics slipmatts look less bling and therefore "cooler"
I'd almost be tempted to try white slipmatt's...
my 2 peneth :)
I think these tables are awesome. Possibly if you were selling these in the US they might go quicker? Also I'd guess this site has more traffic regarding controllers than it does turntables....and the guys that have ore into 1200's probably already have a pair.
Either way, I think they are a bad ass pair.
Yeah, I must admit when I first saw these I was doubting whether you'd sell them at the price you were asking.
I think personally if you can buy a nice standard set that has been calibrated and known to be fully functioning, then you're onto a winner.
I purchased my MK5s for £300 with Ortofon Nightclubs from a guy on Gumtree. House stunk of weed and it was a bit of a road trip to get there, but I'm so so glad I made the effort.
A few of suggestions:
1. Remove the decals if possible.
2. Find some different Slipmats. Plain white or black. The ones you have side great but they are really busy and and the look is leaning more towards your average turntablist. I know it's lame and people cognitively know you can replace mats for a couple of quid but buyers make rapid, irrational selection decisions on those details.
4 do a quick video. No music, very chilled out. Show the strobe, the anti skate, go through the features.
I know this is all cosmetic bs but it's the cosmetic bs that might make all the difference.
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I think the problem is just that you live in the UK. Most of us are in the US.
Those would fly at 350 USD.
They would fly at 350 USD here in the UK too, as that's the going rate for standard non-modded Mk2s.
350$ is £214... you can find a pair of 1210's for £214..? or do I misunderstand cus that's silly cheap inmho.Quote:
Originally Posted by makar1
My mate bought a pair of beat up (just cosmetic) 1210's for £200 but that's cus the seller needed cash that day and they needed a bit of work, new tone-arm, re-cal etc. And as someone says above it's usually some prick looking for drug money that flogs them silly-cheap.
On a general point though, there are a lot of people on this forum that talk silly money for technics.
Seems like lots of people have got at least one "i got these for £100" stories but in reality, not so much. There is definitely a culture of people wanting to brag that they get stuff cheap and I don't believe half of what I read.
I know, people find bargains and I know they are cheaper in the US but a decent pair is a good £350 - £500 in UK. Anything cheaper will be abused or look crappy and I personally wouldn't be interested in crappy looking decks.
Patchs decks are lovely. Unfortunately the work gone into them means jack to the buyer so they will have to come down in price.
Lose the gold stickers dude. I love your decks, I fell in love with a white pair my old mate Telly from NI made years back.
If I had a spare £XXX I'd be pumping you hard with offers but I have decks and my Mrs would kill me.
I showed my wife your decks and the first words out of her mouth were "No... no fucking way"... she knew I was 'desiring' them.
Seen these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WHITE-CARB...item3f2bdc8f8b
I'd buy then in a heartbeat Patch but unfortunately I have a pair.
Lovely work mate.