Anyone got any experience with these drives:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1TB-SAMSUN...item46298e413d
I've read some good things - but the lack of external power concerns me...
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Anyone got any experience with these drives:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1TB-SAMSUN...item46298e413d
I've read some good things - but the lack of external power concerns me...
I've never had issues with them but I'd replace yearly just dye yo nature of portable drives.. At least back up regularly
If you want external power, you need to look at 'back-up' HDDs, not portable ones.
That said, I don't think it's that big of an issue.
The lack of an external power supply is a "good" thing there's on less thing to worry about. I use these things at work and its such a relief to need to worry about needing to make sure that you have the plug for the drive then needing an outlet to plug the darn thing in then hoping that the cord for the power supply is long enough. "Any device without a power supply is a good device"
Personally I use these exact drives and it's a much better deal IMO:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301243187218?afsrc=1
Good question, I'm needing to do a better back up than I've done so far,............ We all know how this ends if I don't sort it out;
But USB slots on a MBP are at a premium, does anyone have experience of thunderbolt drives and at a sensible price?
I just use a USB3 hub for now, I'd like to go thunderbolt but it definitely seems more expensive at the moment.
Brand and model of drive is completely irrelevant.
The only thing that matters is that you have 3 regular backups.
Theres no reason at all to replace them yearly, just backup daily and replace as they die.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucidstrings
Not entirely true. Seagate HDDs don't have the best reputation compared to WD.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImNoDJ
They degrade over the course of a year of steady use....
The wear on them because obvious as speeds start to degrade and other things... Can likely
Stretch out to two years but I personally don't trust regular drives I've seen too many fail.... If I could justify I'd have ssd drives in usb3 enclosures...
I replace mine when they die, I always have multiple back ups going, no reason to waste money for no reason. I like Seagate drive too though, so I could be a terrible judge of this. :)
Just got curious here, I want to buy an External SSD so I can backup my music. What is the best brand?
Seagate is a nice budget and goes on sale frequently. WD is probably the best big brand though. That said, I have never had a HDD fail, and I usually grab Seagates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniboy
Reputation is also irrelevant. Failure rates are all that matter, and on a large enough scale, they all fail. Year to year, there are some brands that fail more than others, but to say Seagates are not as good is just incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
Thats a bunch of superstition, not technical information. The speed of an OS can slow down over time, but the hard disk will not unless the rotating parts or the actuator are damaged. You are literally throwing your money away by replacing your hard disks every year. Ive seen brand new thousand dollar server hard drives fail within a day, the age of the thing is largely irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucidstrings
Fun fact: SSD's do actually slow down as you fill them up and SSD drives fail all the time too.
Yes indeed SSD do slow down as they fill that is a fact.... However I was referring to the fact that moving components wear over time due to the nature of them... Arm on a disk wear because they are susceptible to being toss around and so on.... This causes wear which results in slower read times.... But hey it's not like I've installed hundreds of them in laptops that are put though the paces by large Ag mechanics or that I run SSD drives in everything I own.... Once you have a SSD nothing ever feelsQuote:
Originally Posted by ImNoDJ
The same so maybe that's why I feel that way....
SSD drives I've had the best luck with are Samsung and OCZ of the maybe 100 I've installed either at home or work the only two to ever fail have been 1 Intel and 1 Kingston..
Take a brand new external usb3 drive load up with data from one you had in your bag for a year plug both in and see which one loads data faster... Newest one almost always does... I'm talking about a catalog of 100k plus tracks some folders containing upwards of 40,000 tracks on them.....
You will start to notice after 2 years that every once in a while your is will struggle to find the drive sometimes at first prompting a disk is not formatted but then smartens up... Infact I find the ones that get used the least have the most issues.... Trust me nothing is ever out of the realm of possibilities when it comes to moving electronic components... Normally before a mobile Dj gig I will take my newer tracks and the classics and throw them on a sub stick just to be safe.. I've seen new drives fail in weeks after purchase I've seen USB STICKS fail months after purchase and I'm not talking the 8$ ones in talking the 80$ ones...
If you want to test it take a SSD drop it 2' ontop something soft such as carpet now do the same with a standard drive.......
It's not the speed that degrades in sense of rpm it's the read and write times that changes due to a arm that reads it and eventually scars up the platter
TL;DR Don't ever trust something beyond 50% with the price of a 480gb SSD being around $180 there's no reason not to use them as they are far superior for shock sustainability.
A big thing is never defrag a SSD Drive
This thread did not turn out how I expected... :lol:
Someone make me some suggestions for a 1TB external drive, that will never leave my desk! :thumbup:
Does it need to be/is it better if, it is externally powered?
In general:Quote:
Originally Posted by Patch
External HDDs that require a power adapter, 3.5" drive, 7200 RPM
External HDDs that are USB powered, 2.5" drive, 5400 RPM
Powered HDDs are big and bulky, USB powered are small and portable.
All SSD drives will eventually become unreadable. HDDs can last an extremely long time, provided you take care of them.
Its a no brainer for me ive got 5 Western Digital and one of them is a 500gb Passport that been round the world twice and shows no signs of packing in yet!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Patch
This should suit you needs for long long time....http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2TB-Wester...item3f3f78f91f
I'd also recommend Western Digital over other hard drives.
I've got a 500GB (USB2) WD MyBook that has lasted for years. But I also had one crap out on me... :thumbdown:
Currently, I'm using a 1TB (USB2) WD Elements that has caused me no problems whatsoever. That's lasted me around 2 years...
So - external drive - powered or not? :blink:
Not powered all the way imo
Not to mention 7200 rpm powered drives have faster throughput than 5400 rpm unpowered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glitchwerks
Absolutely none of which proves your assertion about hard drives getting slower. Youre making a claim that you cant support, unless you can provide some data from testing and benchmarks. Whether you feel they get slower is neither here nor there, human perception is insanely faulty and subject to bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucidstrings
You are also confusing OS-rot with hard drive speed. An OS will slow down over time, and the hard drive will have to work harder to pull files from a heavily fragmented drive, but these aside the throughput does not change, unless its damaged.
"TL;DR Don't ever trust something beyond 50% with the price of a 480gb SSD being around $180 there's no reason not to use them as they are far superior for shock sustainability."
This is also complete superstition and not supported by facts.
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Originally Posted by Patch
It literally doesnt matter what you buy, just buy 2-3 of them.
If you want the cheapest, go for a 5400 unpowered usb3 drive like a WD passport. You can easily pull 4 tracks plus samples off one of these in real time, so they are fine for playing out but they are slower to backup.
If you want larger capacity, go for a 7200rpm powered external usb 3. It will be slightly faster than the 5400.
If you want speed at the cost of capacity go for a SSD drive either internally or in an enclosure.
But whatever you do, buy 2 keep at least one offsite backup.
Yep. Ive got 6 year old WDs in one of my servers. Still as fast as the day they were put in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glitchwerks
In correct a properly formatted drive after 2 years of service will not benchmark the same as it did at new... Do I need to good the benchmarks to support this... Where are your supporting documents....
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive
Officially I believe the beliefs is 3-6 years is how long you will get out of a drive before it starts to officially degrade....
A reformatted drive does breathe new life into it.... I think your missing my point that a SSD Is more reliable in a mobile setting and faster even a full SSD drive will be faster then a regular drive.....
http://mobile.serverwatch.com/trends...ical-Disks.htm
I have 10 year old regular drives also but they've never been in a mobile environment
Youe made the claim, you need to provide the evidence. Until then its just your opinion, not how hard drives actually operate.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucidstrings
SSD drives are irrelevant to this particular point. You claimed that normal drives degrade after one year, which is untrue but you are still fighting that point without proof.
There is an enormous amount of superstition in IT, when its very easy to make judgements based on data and testing.
In IT, things that have a known failure rate have a dollar value attached to the frequency and impact of the failure.
We dont count hard drives as an extra cost after one year. The lifecycle is about 3-4 years depending on application and location.
We run on redundancy. A brand new hard drive can fail tomorrow. A 5 year old one can run for another 5 years. We assume that every drive will fail at any time and plan for it.
The home user should do exactly the same, just on a smaller scale.
http://www.auslogics.com/en/articles/hard-disk-failure/ anything mechanical degrades it's the nature of it... To which it becomes a noticeable issue is not what I'm debating. I'm stating that mechanical medium starts degrading the second it starts... Your statement is that it does not start to wear until a predefined amount of time... Which is ridiculous... Tires that have 80,000 tread life does not mean that they maintain the same amount of tread for 80,000 it just means they maintain a percentage of tread within a standard measurement that is acceptable... The nature of what is or isn't acceptable is a straight opinion as its mine that there is noticeable speed decrease on mobile drives after a year...
This is due to the more extreme conditions the drive is put through as opposed to a desktop drive... This is a fact.. Desktop hard drives maybe moved a dozen times in a year mostly never powered on.. A mobile/external drive will be moved that many times in the corse of a week most the time powered on... I don't get what's so hard to reason that statement and why you would argue... What's acceptable to me may be different then you.
There is a reason why every computer I own contains a primary solid state large enough to store applications on... I like results click open power launch in 25s or less... Not to mention added benefits of a solid state.
Using the tire tread comparison I can further my statement by saying average 80,000 is that highway miles vs city vs gravel is that in a southern climate of desert climate or northern climate all that becomes environmental variables much like the mobile factor I keep trying to iterate.
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Originally Posted by lucidstrings
Mostly because Ive been responsible for buying and supporting laptops and I know about things like failure rates. I dont care how you use your computers, but if you make a claim I know to be incorrect and give it as advice to another poster, then Im going to add my 2c. There is enough misinformation about computers as it is, without nonsense like replacing your hard disks every year.
My current laptop hard disk is nearly 5 years old. No change in performance. No errors. I also look after hundreds like it. Only a tiny tiny percentage of all the laptops we buy have a hard disk failure within their warranty period.
Its literally like 3 out of every 300.
Im not arguing with you about SSDs, im trying to explain to you that you have a superstitious belief about hard drive failure, not a factual one.
Using car analogies is the fastest way to not be taken seriously in a technical PC discussion. Your analogy is literally meaningless. There are no touching parts in a hard drive for a start and it lives inside a hermetically sealed case.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucidstrings
It isn't incorrect it's mechanics... You did nail the big point on the head earlier though... It's where monetary factors come into play...the fleet I look after time is money 135$ an hour can't afford to have a wait longer then possible and failure in field could result in millions lost to customer.... Standard drives failed more then SSD... Go from failure twice a year to only 1 in 3 years... I don't have time to babysit hard drive failures and slow drives when you upgrade 150gb of ISO files usb3 and SSD is your friend...
I'm sorry computers have a lifespan of 4 years for the most part and what is acceptable in your field may not be in my field... Time is a luxury my industry doesn't normally have..
And being the IT guy wasn't really a choice more of got sluffed off because one wasn't enough for 5 locations... With that came a few things I don't fuck around and cheap out I have a budget and set requirements for purchases..
All this is not relevant as my main statement is and will be hard drives in a mobile environment will suffer more failure and slow down... I'm not talking desktop drives that don't move I'm talking drives that get left poweredon and thrown in a vehicle and go for a drive....
Take a drive power it up start transferring files to if hold it in you hand and slowly start moving it .... As you do this you will see it struggle to copy data it will start returning errors... It will also start to become noisy that noise is the head moving across the disk.....:
Better yet examine the platter of a mobile drive vs a desktop you will see more physical damage on mobile vs desktop....
They don't make contact if left stationary if not left stationary they make contact causing wear