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Just saw this image in the DJTT blog, and I got very excited:
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I don't think I could pick only 5 to be honest... Some of those are HUGE for me.
I'm especially interested in the "iTunes Playlist Sync". I'd LOVE it if Traktor would update the iTunes "Played" count tag, with in Traktor Plays...
Divide & conquer. They should have done all (or at least most) of those updates long time ago - instead they poured all of their time and money into stems/remix and blocked all other manufacturers from Traktor.
Now, when #futureofdjing didn't pan out the way they thought it would, they dangle that list in front of users hoping you would be entertained and hyped for the next release and don't jump ship to RekordboxDJ or SeratoDJ.
Impressive, and well-needed list of features, for sure, but does seem a bit late-to-the game. Hopefully we'll hear something more concrete soon.
Been waiting for most of those changes for years but I think they, at the moment, should focus on stability of the software as many of us experianced music pauses, glitches, pops etc. For last several updates NI tried to introduce new functions to software which wasn't reliable. Stable software is vital for us to be professional performers.
They should do this for the Controller Manager update many years ago as well.
Pretty much my thoughts exactly and I'm already seeing a growing group of people who is making the switch (myself included). Anyway, it's good that they are finally waking up and actually getting some sort of interest on what people really need.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlayForMoney
Yep, I've more or less made the switch over to RekordboxDJ over the last few months...
I'd been holding onto my two Traktor D2s in case the Stems format took off, and we started seeing some more techno releases there, but it's not looking likely. I think I'll be selling those off soon, and going all-in Rekordbox.
Traktor 3 should be finished and ready for release if NI have any hope of competing with Rekordbox in the next few years.
The Traktor browser is many years out of date, is broken in many ways, and is painful to use compared to other DJ software browsers.
The fact that they are asking for input, rather than already having finished a new browser to modern standards just says that they have no idea what they are doing, or what sort of software they want to make.
What the hell has happened to NI?
Depending on when this survey was sent that's definitely not a good sign of development. That would mean that this is just at the discussion level for what they should improve, rather than something that's already being developed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImNoDJ
It is sad to see that their second attempt at "the future of DJing" (remix decks first, followed by stems) hasn't really taken off. It was an improvement in some ways over the remix decks but ultimately the issue still comes back to content. The whole point of stems is being able to mix and match other stem tracks for a new level of remixing, but if your main genres aren't well supported (hip-hop) or you can only find a few stem tracks you like than it's not very practical.
I imagine that developing stems took a lot of time and resources to develop, which means that things that people have been asking for i.e. better track management, just got pushed to the wayside in the hopes that Stems would be a killer feature.
It's amazing how quickly Rekordbox has been able to catch up simply by replicating features from Traktor and Serato and having the best track management system. There are so many smart things about their track management and it makes sense that people are willing to switch for it. Only some DJs may like or "need" stems but every DJ needs good track management to find and play the right song at the right time.
Yep, i dont think NI understand how poor their browser is.Quote:
Originally Posted by rdej47
They tell you to use Itunes for advanced playlisting, but Traktor doesnt support ALAC on Windows (7,8), so if you use ALAC files in Itunes then you cant use itunes in Traktor. You literally have to choose between audio quality and powerful playlisting, you dont get both.
Its kind of pathetic.
The coloured and named cue points is something I've been hoping for for 3 years...
I'm sure traktor still looks horrible on a retina display too... I've had one for 2 years now?
Give this man a cookie! :thumbup1:Quote:
Originally Posted by rdej47
Yup, you can check the image below in full detail here but in all fairness Serato is still lacking in this frontQuote:
Originally Posted by johnyfav
http://i.imgur.com/jMXiO1E.jpg
I know you guys want to feel better about dropping +1k on a retina laptop but be real: looks are the last thing that should be on the development list, as long as there are known bugs and missing big featuresQuote:
Originally Posted by padi_04
No, not even close. All I'm saying is that they should support it seeing the number of people using Retina Macs these days, besides there are tons of Windows based laptops with high res displays as well. I'm not saying it should be a top priority, just that it's nice that RB already shipped with that bit sorted and I'm 100% on your side with stating they should fix the primary bugs and workflow improvements in needs and that's most likely why they haven't implemented it yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlayForMoney
Yeah, if they hadn't tried to reinvent DJing with remix decks & stems you can bet your ass we would have it now including a superior keylock, track managment and everything else our little hearts desire. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by padi_04
And I guess you are right about wanting new features (after all, you cannot stop adding new features completely until you are bug-free because that's not feasible) it's just... retina support really is a strictly visual thing. There are so many other features at this point that IMO they should start thinking about it only when their retina userbase becomes +50%. And I don't think they are up there yet (but it will be).
Then stop using it, and use the product you feel is better. It's that simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImNoDJ
The new NI traktor update is pretty stable.
Im sorry that my valid criticisms of a piece of DJ software trigger you.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj4ever
Feel free to not read my posts, its that simple.
You've been complaining about traktor for months. Just switch to Pioneer already. People who actually DJ have already switched already.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImNoDJ
Complaining = making evidence based criticisms in order to provoke discussion and improve the product.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj4ever
So you actually came out and said not a single actual DJ is now using Traktor.
Are you trolling, or just simple?
So you like pioneer but you bought a traktor controller and probably maschine. Go figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImNoDJ
Can we stop the pointless pissing match and return to a constructive civilized discussion? Thanks
This something that to me is what differentiates Traktor from Serato & Rekordbox.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlayForMoney
Native Instruments develops other software with an emphasis on music production and has always approached Traktor as a digital answer to DJing, which allows new avenues to pursue DJing that might be beyond what's limited by a "traditional" setup (where a traditional setup is two turntables/CDJs and a mixer)
On the otherhand, Serato vis-à-vis Scratch Live seemed to be more focused on the more traditional setup by at first introducing a product meant to be used in conjuncture with turntables and multiplayers. The same can be said about Rekordbox too because of the Pioneer lineage in creating CDJs, mixers, et al.
This isn't to say that these programs can only cater to a specific crowd. Just that the companies themselves may have different priorities based on their goals and values for innovation and creation.
Yeah, I agree. The only problem I see is that NI went "full retard" with it, and totaly ignored the needs of more "traditional" dj. As somebody said here, every DJ needs good track management and NI stoped developing it and instead pursued producer style features that didn't pan out the way they wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by overcast
Now, they could have done several thing to combat the more traditional DJ switching to Serato & Rekordbox without rushing to add missing features - like opened up support for third party hardware (stems available to map on non-NI hardware from the begining, less licencing money for Traktor certification, HID mode available for non-Pioneer CDJ's,...). They even made poor decision regarding stems that turned away some users (not enough back catalogue re-released in stems, holding on to stems APK for developers,..) Instead, they clinged on to their precious hardware sales not realising they are selling more units in the short term but hurting themselves in the long run.
Same as Serato, they took Pioneer's money for exclusive HID support of their CDJ's and now they are left hanging, they'll probably have to pay Pioneer for NXS2 support (because you know....Rekordbox DJ).
What's even more funny, Denon (inMusic) is going the same route, developing Engine - and one of the reason for it was exactly the lack of support from Serato/Traktor(NI) (example: switching from SSL->SeratoDJ and not transfering support for Denon units)
These are also really good points! It'll be interesting to see if everyone starts developing software alongside their hardware or vice versa, or if we'll see companies focus their energy in one direction and partner with someone else. Granted, both have vast pros and cons. But it'll be interesting to see going forwardQuote:
Originally Posted by SlayForMoney
CUE POINT TAGGING and TRACK PAIRING ftw!!
Today's generation is producers who want to play their music live and DJ's like DJ Rafik who via native sessions says he wants to focus on production. The winner of master of the mix on vh 1 said he wants to focus on production. That's the route I think NI are going. It's mix between DJ/producer. Both go hand in hand and for big name DJ's like premier, pete rock, Mark Ronson that's the next logical step. But not everybody goes that route. I personally think pioneer/serato will follow later with live performer/producer/dj all in one.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlayForMoney
Stems is something that just might not work out. NI tried an idea, and it just might not work. I have 1200's and the traktor D2 is hella fun. I'm sure Mr. Haver and the Traktor team have some kind of plan if things don't work out with stems. For the time being I'm going to wear out all my NI hardware.
yah i vote for track pairing and que point tags
I can't stand using fade in/out markers to mark things that have nothing to do with fading.
Did any of this make into 2.11?
Nope
Boo.