Made the right choice???

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08-05-2011, 08:43 AM
Tritty

Made the right choice???

I have owned the TKS4 for a few months now, and I love it :) My problem is that the industry standard for clubs is either CDJ's or TT's,(which i dont own) a few years down the track I would like to play at my local clubs, preferably with my S4 but in reality it doesnt seem likely that I could bring it in with me due to lack of space, club owners not permitting controllers etc So, I would be playing on un-familiar products, (CDJ's most likely) The only way I could see myself becoming comfortable with using CDJ's is to practice on them which means buying some...um no, S4 thank you :P - Or by turning off all aids on Traktor eg Phase meter,BPM and Sync, and practicing like that, In you opinion guys would that make it easier to play on a CDJ? I know layout would be different but in terms of actually mixing would this be worth while or do i have to bite the bullet and buy some CDJ's + mixer?? thanks in advance :)
08-05-2011, 09:06 AM
Liambo

If you like your S4 why swap it for CDJ/Mixer? I own CDJ's/TT's/Mixer and find it ten times more fun that controllers but its all down to preference.

If you want to start playing out at gigs have you not guy some friends that have CDJ's you could hang out at and get familiar with them?

If you really want to learn how to use CDJ's without buying them, basically the main thing to do is learn how to beatmatch (by ear) because on the CDJ the tempo/bpm/pitch control might be different and you won't have any waveforms (not as detailing anyways).

So use your S4 cue up a track use your time elapsed (if you wish) and time remaining and do not look at waveforms or any other aid and if you can confidently beatmatch i shoulnd't see a problem getting the hang of CDJ's in a few tracks.
08-05-2011, 01:39 PM
MrPopinjay

You can learn how to beat match just fine with the S4, turn all the sync and aids off and you'll be fine. Hell turn the entire screen off when not selecting tracks. I like to keep my laptop somewhere I can't see it.
08-05-2011, 01:48 PM
amidoinitrite

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Originally Posted by MrPopinjay

You can learn how to beat match just fine with the S4, turn all the sync and aids off and you'll be fine. Hell turn the entire screen off when not selecting tracks. I like to keep my laptop somewhere I can't see it.

^this..

keep it in browser/search mode.. and dim it when you're not selecting a track.
08-05-2011, 01:55 PM
jimbob5000

+1
If you want to learn to beatmatch, you might as well do that with an S4.
When you have done that, just ask some mate to give you his CDJ for a couple of days, or go and rent one for the weekend, to familiarize yourself with it's interface.
08-05-2011, 04:53 PM
DigitalDevil

Word to all of the above... you can learn what you need to know with no gear at all (though you'd have a hell of time using keys in place of a pitch fader with that route... its beside the point anyways). Just turn off the software assistance (BPM, phase, waveform, etc) and rock out. Learning the browsing and whatnot of a CDJ doesn't take but a few minutes, the rest is the same.
08-05-2011, 05:56 PM
Nephew

I've never had to face an issue about club owners/promoters not allowing controllers. Where the heck are you guys playing at where this is an issue?
08-05-2011, 06:20 PM
amidoinitrite

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Originally Posted by Nephew

I've never had to face an issue about club owners/promoters not allowing controllers. Where the heck are you guys playing at where this is an issue?

I think its more of a "better safe than sorry" situation.
08-05-2011, 08:19 PM
bobbylight

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Originally Posted by amidoinitrite

I think its more of a "better safe than sorry" situation.

There's also some places that, unfortunately enough, think that if you show up with a controller you might as well not have shown up at all. Haters man, haters. Smh.
08-05-2011, 08:30 PM
Tritty

Thanks for the comments guys, much appreciated, I plan on turning all traktors aids off to learn how to beatmatch, didnt think about dimming/shutting the screen off though, good idea, and I do have a mate that owns CDJ350's and a DJM 350, not exactly club spec gear but would b good to learn the basic layout of one though
08-05-2011, 08:51 PM
bobbylight

If you can't find any CDJs to play on, you can always see if any music stores have some on display and play with those for awhile.
08-05-2011, 09:04 PM
amidoinitrite

Thats not a bad idea.. I know the best buy at MOA use to have a cdj2000 sitting out..
It was beat to crap tho.. and only once did I actually ever see any source of music in it.
but still..
google image some large pictures of 800s, 1000s, 900s, and 2000. Just to get a feel for the layout.. then when it comes time to try it out you don't have to waist time searching for buttons.
08-05-2011, 09:31 PM
Rukks

I honestly think that if you learn by ear you will be more than fine because the cdjs have bpm readout for reference

So really you just need to finely adjust tempo and then get sync.
08-05-2011, 09:33 PM
MrPopinjay

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Originally Posted by Rukks

I honestly think that if you learn by ear you will be more than fine because the cdjs have bpm readout for reference.

I've always wondered, how do they come up with these numbers? Some kinda beat detection? Those things never work with anything other than house I swear.
08-05-2011, 10:32 PM
amidoinitrite

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPopinjay

I've always wondered, how do they come up with these numbers? Some kinda beat detection? Those things never work with anything other than house I swear.

^this... I don't remember the last time TSP2 gave me a proper beat grid..
its decent at getting the tempo right.. but more times than not... the grid is quite off.
Not a big deal when you're manually beatmatching.. but can be a hassle when it comes to time based effects.
Especially if you're in the middle of a mix and loading a new tune.
The tap is pretty bad as well..
I like how sometimes it will be spot on and others it will be WAY off..
never just slightly off.
/rant :p
08-05-2011, 11:11 PM
Nephew

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPopinjay

I've always wondered, how do they come up with these numbers? Some kinda beat detection? Those things never work with anything other than house I swear.

Why would you play anything other than house?

= p
08-05-2011, 11:47 PM
guiltyblade

BPM readouts i think read ahead like a phrase of 32 beats. I'm not 100% but one a song change pace and the bass drops the bpm can go wonky. I find my readout on my 400s work pretty good, well to an extent. Its always going by your ear. If you can practice on 350s, and a 350 mixer you will be alright learning to beat match. THe 350 djm mixer is kinda wack imo, the effects suck. Also the 350 cdjs jogs just feel bad but thats me. But if you can beatmatch on those you are pretty much set to play at a large club.
08-06-2011, 08:21 AM
Cook

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Originally Posted by Nephew

Why would you play anything other than house?

= p

Some of us actually possess the skill to do multi-genre mixing.
08-06-2011, 08:24 AM
Nephew

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Originally Posted by Hoodless

Some of us actually possess the skill to do multi-genre mixing.

Ok, why would you play anything other than house or techno and all the subsequent sub genres?
08-06-2011, 08:34 AM
MrPopinjay

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoodless

Some of us actually possess the skill to do multi-genre mixing.

Not me! :P
08-06-2011, 08:46 AM
Cook

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nephew

Ok, why would you play anything other than house or techno and all the subsequent sub genres?

Commercial crowds.
Instead of playing your generic radio crap i tend to go from House, to radiohit remixes, hip hop, trance, old skool, drum and bass and dubstep all in the same 4 hour set.