I'm thinking about a vci 100 se and i'm wondering if i could use this for manual beatmatching like 2 cdj200.Ηave the jogs the precision to do something like this?:)
thanks in advance!
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I'm thinking about a vci 100 se and i'm wondering if i could use this for manual beatmatching like 2 cdj200.Ηave the jogs the precision to do something like this?:)
thanks in advance!
The jog wheels can give you a .01% accuracy. Definitely precise enough
ok thank you.I asked this because one friend has the hercules steel and he told me that its difficult to beatmatch with jog wheels there.
you can map the jogs to function like the pitch fader amiright?
I find the standard DJTechtools mapping plenty good enough for manual beatmatching
you know I never thought to use the jogs as pitch faders, only benders, perhaps I need to implement a modifier for that purpose, would come in handy for sure!
Short faders, weird jog wheels. It's certainly possible, but I myself hate it for beatmatching. A lot of folks do it, though.
Just curious. What do you guys set your pitch to for best/accurate results???
Often at the clubs I need to beatmatch coming into my first mix from what the last DJ in playing.
I find it tricky to beatmatch on. Im a beginner and I just find it too much hassle to try and use the pitch faders. I usually end up just double tapping sync, which gets them to the same bpm but then turns sync off so I have to cue etc. for real ie without sync.
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I played on professional jog wheels on CD mixers etc. I use Hercules MK2 and has an issue with speeding or slowing down the mix to catch the beat. It skips too far then stalls to too far back then stalls.
I noticed I can use the pitch control to adjust for better mixing but I like using the jog wheel for a more better feel.
Is there any setting you guys do to Traktor to make the jogwheel becone a good mix adjuster like most jog wheels.
I should be able to spin the jog wheel faster (clockwise to speed upmix, counterclock wise to slow down mix).
I read on other forums to set the jogwheel to the tempo. This does help but I have spin the jogwheel back the original speed when mix is on beat to stay the same speed.
If you know what I am talking about please help and reply with any tips or work arounds.
Thanks
the pitch faders are terrible imo for trying to manual beat matching on the vci.. i just do as someone else i read does
i load the track an hit the sync button to match the bmp, then turn it off, and do the rest by ear.. most times you will only need to rotate the jog wheels to make sure the songs line up..
other then that, you could always just save for some cdjs if thats what ur after?
Hmm...
Is it really a huge deal not to be able to beatmatch manually perfectly? I plan to buy a vci 100 in the future so I'm curious. I am just using sync to match the bpms, then I manually play it after that (i.e. just one sync like you guys were talking about).
Another question...I noticed that manual tempo changing in traktor is kinda crappy mainly because the most specific I was able to get is 8%, and I am using an Akai LPD8. I have this thought that songs HAVE to be played at an even bpm number (for example playing at 128 as opposed to 128.56). Does this really matter? I find I like to put the tempo on a knob to help me match up more properly if I need to speed up or slow down the song coming in, but as a result the song usually doesn't get to a perfect bpm number.
Any advice?
Small bump...can anybody help me out here?
An even BPM # doesn't mean anything. If you are playing a track that's 100.56 BPM, if you want the tightest mix, you should be mixing the other track at 100.56 BPM. It's just a measurement, and if your grid is right, don't go second guessing it.
Think of things this way, the difference between two BPMs is kinda like the amount of time you have before your mix starts to drift out, but inverted. Meaning, the smaller the difference, the more time you have. So is it important to be able to to get a tight match without using sync? The accuracy you can obtain on your controller relates directly to how long you can keep your mix together. The VCI (or your Akai LPD8) are a little rough at a default setting, because 128 steps of midi doesn't get very fine if you're trying to spread that out over 8 or 10%. But you can use shift modifiers, a second knob/slider, or as mentioned, the vci jog wheels at a finer setting for the nitty gritty. Doing that, YES you can use a VCI to adjust tempo at 0.01 increments.
Personally, I have my fine adjustment set to about 0.06, which is fine for most purposes and has the added benefit of emulating the amount of travel per unit tempo change as a Technics 1200. (I just don't get as much travel) - it's about 3.2 % either direction, on a VCI-100. So I dial in the rough tempo, then hit shift and get my fine tempo. Any difference between BPMs I just make up for once in a while by nudging the track forward or back. Because 0.06 is pretty low, the nudge doesn't need to happen very often.
Examples of why being able to get a tight match is important: Older tracks, Drifting tracks, un-snapped looping, mixing into other dj's/live bands and any track that won't take a grid. If you never do any of these things, then it really doesn't matter. Sync away and don't worry about it. But if you do, then a good system on your controller for beatmatching is essential.
Agreed! The VCI 100 SE is good for this when in "CDJ" mode. I wouldnt rely on nudging the jog wheel like this all night long tho, but good for certain things such as mixing out from another DJ's set.
I'm a semi-beginner myself and also use Traktor + VCI-100. And I've also been wondering how best to mix in from someone who isn't running digital software.
My friend is an avid CDJer and while he was living here for a while we tried beatmatching a few times (for my benefit).
I basically do what any Vinyl/CDJ would do and just slowly bump the pitch-faders until i've got it as close as possible. From there I just flick the jog-wheels to keep it as close to in sync as possible. It helps that we run reasonably high BPM music, and so i only need to keep the music in sync for 16-32 beats before I can just slap his track off.
Also, having direct access to the other source of music (ie if you can grab the CDJ) makes it much easier to make fine pitch adjustments. Once you've got the BPM perfect, move back to your own setup to do the changeover.
I'd love to hear other ideas from other VCI only users.