I am still of that opinion
Recently found out deadmau agrees with me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v2kJwxobXo
Watch 1 min 55 seconds in.
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I am still of that opinion
Recently found out deadmau agrees with me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v2kJwxobXo
Watch 1 min 55 seconds in.
I stopt spinning with vinyl about a year ago now, I bought a vci100, a soundcard and T3. I really enjoy the possibilities that the digital era brings us and I'm never going to look back and say maybe I could do this gig with all my vinylrecords... BUT I never where able to sell my tt's and mixer, they are still standing at the same place I've put them 6years ago when I just bought them and every single piece of vinyl I ever bought is still in my recordboxes. Sometimes when I'm spinning at home with all my digital equipment, I look at those tt's and say to myself: "aight, lets go 'oldskool' " and I tell you I enjoy every single moment I spin with my vinyl, from the moment I start searching a track in one of the recordboxes to the moment I all put them back where they belong ;)
I'm not saying I would restart playing gigs with vinyl, but I learned everything with vinyl, I'm proud I can beatmatch manually and it's just that little piece of nostalgic I'm never going to be able to sell...
peace
I've always seen Hawtin live with two laptops. One with Traktor 3 and the other with Ableton (which he uses mostly just for FX but I've seen a VSTi drum machine on it too).
On NI's forum, the development team has admitted that the MIDI clock in Traktor Pro is still not working correctly. It's frustrating as there is a whole section in the manual on this, but it just doesn't work yet.
The only way I've seen two Traktor Pro's "syncd" is manually. Set both to Manual Tempo. Grab a loop in both, and nudge till you match. If you can't beatmatch two Traktors that have same BPM, don't bother trying this.
As far as Ableton, I must refer to Bentosan's wisdom. I am fooling with 7, but I am waitng for Ableton 8 to really learn it's workflows.
Okay, next one that says vinyl is dead, or will be dead.... Is gonna......
Have to look at the d&b is dead thread. :p
I've sucessfully synced two laptops with various programs. I can tell you how to send a midi clock from a laptop running Traktor Pro, and sync it with another laptop running Ableton, Serato, or another instance of Traktor Pro. However I never bothered with this in Traktor 3, the whole midi clock functionality was changed/upgraded pretty dramatically it seems.
Well please, share your wisdom! I know many people want to sync two Traktor Pro's using the MIDI clock.
After asking my buddy on this, I may have mis-spoke. Apparently we didn't get two Traktor Pro's synced, but we have gotten Serato, Ableton and Reason syncing to TP's MIDI clock SEND on two laptops (Firebox MIDI out to a USB adapter). Apparently the MIDI clock RECEIVE in TP is what's still bugged.
Bummer, I would love to see 2 DJs and 8 decks in action.
I have synched up two Traktor v2 computers up. However it was not what i wanted to do as it not only synched my timing, but knob movments as well
Can you elaborate? You connected two "Traktor Studio 2"? Using two computers?Quote:
I have synched up two Traktor v2 computers up.
Can you tell us what steps you took if you got TWO Traktor Pro's connected?
Elaboration:
I was using Traktor Dj Studio 2 linking the OSC through my midi connection.
Within the OSC setup there is an option to Set up and Broadcast the OSC Midi clock over your Ethernet net work. Set one of your computers to be the Sync Master.
Then your slave computer you will go into OSC Setup and set your slave system to Recieve external sync by applying the Master ip address.
this is much the similar way you would setup Abelton with an iPhone/iTouch for external control.
Theres no such thing as an OSC midi clock - theres an OSC clock or a Midi clock, but not a OSC Midi clock - its rather one or the other.
OSC clock syncing is much more powerful than a midi sync - however Traktor Pro doesnt seem to support OSC syncing at all at this point in time.
Also Ableton doesnt support OSC - however with a bit of vst trickery it is possible to get an OSC clock out of Ableton. But because Ableton wont respond to to any kind of OSC handshake with this method its not possible to use this clock to sync any version of Traktor(let alone pro which doesnt osc sync at all).
Hey guys,
Well, sorry if this is already being discussed, I tried to search for a while, didn't find anything exactly like this, so I'd give it a shot.
Basically, me and a friend of mine are a Duo DJs.
I'm using an Xponent & Traktor to DJ with, he is using Ableton together with an Akai mpd24 & UC-33e.
Now, here's the thing : we need to sync both computers for live performance, since we've been asked to play at some gigs.
We tried syncing them with a MIDI cable, running from the Xponent's output to the Akai's input. It does "sync", but it's not the sync you get when you layer tracks in ableton, if you understand what I mean Smile
So, basically, we are looking for a more efficient and better way to sync them. Basically, via Ethernet, with a crossover cable, but I really have no clue of how to do this.
I looked at the tutorial posted here, but sadly enough it was for MACs only, and we are using 2 PCs.
And concerning the Smartmixing tutorial... it's just for 1 PC, so, we're clueless.
So, here I am, waiting for the more experienced to speak :) huge thanks in advance!
Midi sync is doesnt cut the mustard i agree - a user here has said that they have had better luck using a hardware midi clock for sycning but in the end its still a midi clock.
Traktor Pro doesnt send of receive any sort of clock except for a midi clock - so basicly your out of luck. You will find syncing both of your master tempos on both computers to the same tempo and nudging Ableton into time with Traktor will yeild the best results.
Until Traktor recieves an OSC clock without any kind of OSC handshake taking place we are fresh out of luck. Its possible to get an OSC clock with no handshake out of Ableton with some vst trickery, but traktor doesnt support an OSC clock, let alone one without a handshake - so were out of luck.
Edit: oh yeah Traktor pro doesnt recieve a midi clock yet either, so using Trpo and a external midi clock wont work.
Edit2: oh... and welcome to the djtt community !
i'd love to see a djtechtools article that goes into this concept with a bit more depth.
Besides the article on smart-mixing I haven't had much luck on finding information about using Traktor in conjunction with Ableton.
Thats not a bad idea, but it would just be a big explination of why it doesnt work and whats needed by software manufacteres to get it working :(
But it would give me the opportunity to post about the workaround methods i have come up with - they arnt exactly 100% ideal but a sync is better than no sync.
How does richie hawtin use 2 macbooks with traktor and ableton in his sets?
Theres you's go, i just merged the 7 different threads people have made into a single thread to make this information easier to find.
Thanks for the info!
there's however something I don't get. How could that thing be possible with two MACs (just saw Chris Liebing doing it as well in a video-set). He uses 2 macs, ableton & traktor 3 and they seemed to be perfectly in sync, as he was not only using FX but launching loops.
Why then wouldn't such a thing be possible when working on PCs ? It's basically the same algorythm, isn't it ? :rolleyes:
Who said hes using a midi clock and not manually syncing ?
If you scroll back a bit you will see a video of Deadmau bitching about syncing laptops together its an issue thats not yet resolved. As much as i dont like Deadmau the dude does know his stuff, so if you wont take my word for it, take his word for it ;) Midi clock sux the big one.
Basicly the best and most reliable way of getting these programs working with one another is the old fashioned way of syncing manually - its when there is tempo changes that things get a bit messy, i mentioned a half arsed work around earlier in this thread that will keep the tracks in time better than a midi clock is capable of (but still not perfect).
I wish i could give you guys better answers, but there just isnt fairytale answers.
Well, that's what we are currently doing. Using the midi cable, and matching the tempo of both computers. And I have to beatmatch from time to time with my xponent on traktor, but here comes the problem : my friend is using ableton, so there's no way he can beatmatch if things run out of sync or if he wants to launch loops.
Yeah, it's a mess. Thanks for your time you're putting into this, really appreciated :)
No problem,
Heres what id do in your situation - route your aduio from one pc to another... easy enough..
Also have a midi cable going from one pc to another - dont use this for midi sync though - what you want to send is a midi message from one of the knobs on your xponent that will be controlling Ableton lives tempo. This same knob needs to control the tempo inside of your mixing program - adjust the range the knob controls so it matches the same range that your dj software controls.
By mapping this knob to both peices of software at once when you turn this knob it will set both Ableton and Traktor to the same BPM. To get the phase sync corrert your friend in ableton can use the two tempo nudge buttons, and you can use pitch bend buttons on the master clock in Traktor. That way the tempo is allways both on both computers and you both have access to nudging your software in time with one another.
If your using Traktor 3, i have been thinking that seeings how it accepts an OSC sync and its possible to get a OSC clock out of Ableton(just no handshake) that it might be possible to have some sort of intermediary program that will handle the handshake and pass on the OSC clock to Trakktor. I am yet to find a software solution yet that does this however - but i bet something is out there and its just a matter of time before I or someone else here comes across it.
My thinking is that Max MSP or some of other audio programming software might be able to handle this - but it remains to be seen. I have scoured the internet and theres no information about doing this, but its atleast a small glimmer of hope :)
Thanks. Will try that thing with the global tempo knob and leave some feedback.
Other than that, I also own traktor Pro, but since the version 3 is more stable (still), I keep using it. I'm not so confident and don't feel sure with the pro for live performance.
Cool - i wouldnt mind feedback on that appraoch actually :)
I only figured it out recently and no ones tried it and shot me any feedback on it yet, so id be happy to hear how it works for you.
Also I feel you on the not using Traktor Pro live thing aswell, but sadly such is case with new software :( Should hopefully be stable in a release or two which would be nice.
if you want to sync your tracks to the master clock and use the tempo nudge buttons for beatmatching (as bento suggested) then you even have to stay at traktor 3, because as far as i know there is no way doing this without getting audio artefacts (at least i am not able to do this :rolleyes: )
at least it's an addressed fix for 1.0.3... as usual we just have to wait :D
http://www.native-instruments.com/fo...ad.php?t=81322 This tutorial on syncing Traktor and ableton came up on the NI forums.
Here was my reply:
"Midi sync is terrible - i suggest to all of our members on the djtechtools.com forums just to manually set the BPM and if they need to do tempo changes to assign one knob to both programs tempo.
Change the tempo range in Ableton to the same tempo range as the same tempo on as Traktor (40bpm to 300bpm). Now when you turn that knob both programs tempo will change in time with one another and be set to the same tempo. The sync will drift a little when changing tempo but not nearly as much as midi syncing does, you can then use Abletons nudge functions to keep it in time with Traktor.
If your doing tempo changes with midi syncing its absolutely terrible and you will trainwreck - im not saying this is the perfect solution but it the best method i have discovered.
Now if we want a truely decent sync between Ableton and Traktor Ni is going to have to implement some work around functionality.
Theres a decent tutorial here that can be used to sync Ableton to a video in Isadora - http://www.digitalfunfair.co.uk/avsync.htm
Im pretty sure a similar technique like this could be used, instead of using a whole track a 4 bar looping message could be sent from Traktor to Ableton which would then interperate this information to form a sync between the two programs. This would take some work on NI's behalf but it would give us a much more solid sync between the two programs than a midi clock allows.
Also if you want to route your audio from Traktor into Ableton id suggest reading this article.
http://www.djtechtools.com/2008/04/0...-with-ableton/
Hope this helps some peeps out"
Hi all,
I'm looking for some assistance with routing audio from Traktor Pro into Ableton 7. I've followed the directions on DJTechTools exactly, with no only exception being the use of the M-Audio Xponent. My issue is that although the audio is being routed, I get this horrible distorted sound coming out with a lot of artifacts. I can't figure it out for the life of me. As I do not understand latency configurations very well, I'm thinking it may be related. Also, I did not attempt to use Jack as it may be over my head. Still, I'm fairly computer/audio literate and think the problem could be solved if someone knew the source of the distortion.
Thanks!
Its a latency issue, no one can really help you with this other than yourself - latency changes from system to system.
Thanks for the reply. Do I want all my latency options (buffer) to be set to zero? Or could it be caused by inconsistencies in my setup. For example the latency of something being set to a different value than something else. How would you advise me to fix this? Try to lower my latency?
i guess you should try to up your latency buffer a little bit.
if you have a too big latency buffer then you'll hear the latency (as the audio comes out of the speakers a little bit later), if you bring down your latency buffer too much then the soundcard hasn't got the time to calculate everything (render the sound), so normally you get those audio artefacts when your latency buffer is set too low.
set it to about 10ms, this should to the trick (i'm using this setting and it works fine - but it depends on your soundcard, processing power, operating system, etc., so a little bit of trying is always necessary).
you want the buffer going out of Traktor to match the buffer going into Ableton, start small and slowly build it up.
Thanks guys! I did what you recommended and it now works perfectly. I'm using Moldover's (I think) template and he has lo-mid-high buss' set. These are in addition to the submaster EQs. Do you know what purpose they serve? Should I use them in conjunction with the submaster EQs? I ask because I'm currently mapping my midi controller and from what I can tell, there is only one set of EQs for both Audio Inputs coming from Traktor. I need two sets of EQs so I can mix.
Your input on what purpose the buss EQs serve and how to best use them, would be really helpful!
UPDATE: Oops. I see it's by Belvario and I've found the docs that were included. N/M
Ok, so I've read through the docs and understand the function of Belvario's template. From what I can tell, it's original purpose is somewhat different from what Ean Golden intended for on DJTechTools.
Here's what I perceive to be the problem:
The tutorial has us routing audio from Traktor Decks A and B with digital audio cable into Live with virtual cables 1/2 and 9/10. They go into Audio 1 and Audio 2 respectively of Belvario's template. However, in order for the smart knobs to function properly, you need to have Audio 1 and 2, as well as the Submaster In set to Ext In 1/2.
Any ideas how to untangle this? How do I get the Sumaster In to receive audio from both 1/2 and 9/10? I can only get it to receive one or the other.
Thanks!
I found some help from a friend and solved the problem myself. In the end, I'll probably by pass the smart knob EQs and go for individualized ones.
The Belvario smartmixer isnt very good, if you wanna try mine send me a msg.
Hi everyone, first of all thanks for the comments you've all posted, as they've helped me get thus far, however, I still haven't quite got my system working.
I have an ibook g4 running traktor 3 and ableton 7. I want to run traktor through ableton, and sync some loops, etc.
I've got audio working with soundflower, and i have got a midi signal coming into live, only problem is that the tempo fluctuates, i.e. goes faster and slower. It changes about once a second, and, obviously, makes it impossible to use. Has anyone any ideas about how i can make this work, or what i might be doing wrong? I've tried ipMIDI and live didn't respond at all to that, so i think iac is definitely the way forward.
Would so appreciate any thoughts you had.
Rob
Well first of all Midi sync sucks the big one and i wouldnt recommend using it as i have said several times in this thread.
As for the flucuations you are seeing that could be a few different things - It could be that the tempo being sent from Traktor is whats flucuating - i have noticed the tempo flucuates more with some version of Traktor than with other versions. The next version of Pro is promising a fix to this flucuation. It could be the IAC bus - however i doubt this because some people have used this and got a somewhat stable clock (still not perfect though because as i said above - midi sync sucks).
However as soon as you change tempos you are going to lose the sync and it takes ages to catch back up.- your actually best of using the method that i put toether and talked about earlier in this thread where your controlling both of the tempos with one knob. Then use Abletons master tempo bending to nudge the software into time.
This will keep your sync for longer longer than a midi clock will and also give you the ability to make tempo changes - its not a foolproof way of syncing however there just simply isnt any other options availible out there at this stage.
Take my word for this because i have spent countless hours working on this and testing all sorts of different methods. This method i described is the method i am using at the moment and recommend it over any other method thats currently avaiible to us.
You need to realise that midi is a really really old standard with numerous flaws, this is one of its flaws and there just isnt any way to get around it without changing what standard you are using.
Sadly Traktor nor Ableton supports any different standards at this stage so your fresh out of luck.
Ok, granted, midi clock thing is shit, it's also annoying that it works for some peopl and not for others...otherwise there would not be all these tutorials of people saying how they did it. grrr.
My next thought is, if Traktor can send an osc clock (which, i think, is a bit more reliable - is that fair to say?), how can one convert that to midi, which ableton can then follow. There's a program called occam which does just this, and i was wondering if there's a way of internally routing the osc singal into this, then out to the iac driver.
I feel the problem in my setup is traktor, as ableton has midi synced perfectly to one of those red eye gadgets that sync audio to midi.
Any thoughts? Is syncing these two programs really like drawing blood from a stone?!