what should i do for the time being

[charo]

yes that can be used as a midi controller

and FYI serato does have a demo, it's just restricted to one deck without hardware being attached. you could still setup your crates, your cue points and your loop points.

maybe try to find a used midi controller in the mean time, an oxy8 keyboard, an evolution pro, something cheap that you can practice with.

good luck, oh and you have sure changed your tune about cdjs

[cutflow]

yes that can be used as a midi controller

and FYI serato does have a demo, it's just restricted to one deck without hardware being attached. you could still setup your crates, your cue points and your loop points.

maybe try to find a used midi controller in the mean time, an oxy8 keyboard, an evolution pro, something cheap that you can practice with.

good luck, oh and you have sure changed your tune about cdjs

yeah cause in our last harsh conversation (thread etc) lol i realized that its true. they will require you to use their stuff. the only thing i will prob bring which they prob won't mind would be my own mixer if they don't have it. but yeah, past 2 days i been doing hard thinking if my future will be strictly cdj's and just putting the usb sticks in their and thats it. i'm thinking i might just use a software for practice till i'm able to have cdj's to hook up to that korg zero4 that i'm interested in. but yeah i dont think i will go digital w/ laptops and software when i get in the real world. thats great that some of the pro's i like do it. but yeah lol.

do you know if i would need anything else with that zorg zero4? i think its a rly good deal for me to start out with. price 800 is better than 1300 for xone-dx. and maybe in the future i would upgrade myself to a zorg zero8. who knows. for me to start practicing i think i would just need that zero4 , headsets and a software to practice with. and then i'd be set to practice away. idk about going cheaper.....well suppose if i were to go cheaper....i would prob do the vci100se for 549 bucks...then save money for the zorg zero4. idk i could do that. im not rly in no rush or anything. i could prob do that 549 for 100se first, then save for the zero4.


charo what you think of these headsets right here for $179 > which costed $400 when they were released = http://www.amazon.com/Allen-Heath-Pr...7651441&sr=1-2

[Phormula1.8T]

dont think that many clubs would care that much. many have in house serato setups and will alow you to bring your own laptop or own laptop and soundcard if your using a different dvs.

[Phormula1.8T]

or theyll have some cdjs and a djm800

[DvlsAdvct]

This is going to come off as harsh, and for that I apologize ahead of time, but you really don't know what you're talking about.

If a club isn't going to let you bring your comp/midi controller/interface then they aren't going to let you bring a whole new mixer. If they have decks and are going to force you to use them, something I have never experienced in the small number of small clubs I've spun in NYC, then they will have a mixer they will force you to use.

Do a LOT more research before you buy. The VCI-100SE, Traktor Pro and a soundcard will be VERY powerful, and give you much more flexibility than CDJs. If you want to practice to use CDJs in clubs, get CDJs.

And there are 800 clubs in Manhattan but there are a LOT more DJs, and those DJs that have gigs are extremely territorial about them. It isn't going to be terribly hard to find a gig, but it will be to find a good one that pays decent and isn't in a complete shit hole. Keep in mind that a LOT of those 800+ clubs have either closed, are shit holes, or only cater to DJs that can pull 500+ people a night.

Good luck to you, and keep researching and working on this. Not trying to dissuade you, just to give another angle.

[cutflow]

This is going to come off as harsh, and for that I apologize ahead of time, but you really don't know what you're talking about.

If a club isn't going to let you bring your comp/midi controller/interface then they aren't going to let you bring a whole new mixer. If they have decks and are going to force you to use them, something I have never experienced in the small number of small clubs I've spun in NYC, then they will have a mixer they will force you to use.

Do a LOT more research before you buy. The VCI-100SE, Traktor Pro and a soundcard will be VERY powerful, and give you much more flexibility than CDJs. If you want to practice to use CDJs in clubs, get CDJs.

And there are 800 clubs in Manhattan but there are a LOT more DJs, and those DJs that have gigs are extremely territorial about them. It isn't going to be terribly hard to find a gig, but it will be to find a good one that pays decent and isn't in a complete shit hole. Keep in mind that a LOT of those 800+ clubs have either closed, are shit holes, or only cater to DJs that can pull 500+ people a night.

Good luck to you, and keep researching and working on this. Not trying to dissuade you, just to give another angle.

well this would be a second job. and i will just keep practicing until a decent club accepts me. i wouldn't spin at shit places. i dont care if there are more dj's than clubs. most of those dj's arent thinking the way i'm thinking. they aint going to spin the same music i will be spinning. i'm going to spin different genre's of minimal house music. minimal is very underground in nyc and you do not find to many clubs with minimal dj's. spinning minimal music makes me unique cause of that. there arent too many minimal dj's. and even if there is a certain amount, that doesn't stop me from pulling something more unique than them. i'm a very creative person. very organized. i already have 3 folders (3 sets i'm building) folder #1 = minimal in the middle eastern. (2 tracks in there). folder #2 = minimal in latin (3 or 4 tracks in there). folder #3 = minimal tech (idk a few). and then i have some more minimal tracks from beatport that i need a friend to sometime come over and explain to me the background of the other minimal tracks i have, and explain how can i organize them and which ethnicity or group(make a new folder) can i put them in and work towards building more sets.

etc etc

[charo]

no doubt there is a propensity to see all the flashy gadgets and want to drop big $$ right away, IMO if you can avoid this and do the research into making the best purchases your dollars will stretch further.

living in NYC have you tried the NYC craigslist to see what deals are out there?

a beginner set of cd-js and a beginner mixer used would prob be less or close to the cost of the SE vci-100....

not sure on those headphones, it can be kind of a personal thing.

[charo]

If you want to practice to use CDJs in clubs, get CDJs.

this advice is worth reading again, and bear in mind you don't have to buy cdj800s etc $$$ for you to practice on at home.

i think cutflow got some of the ideas of the other thread mixed together, it's alot to get your head around, and i agree that he should be asking questions here and doing research before spending money or worse yet getting deeper in debt!

[cutflow]

no doubt there is a propensity to see all the flashy gadgets and want to drop big $$ right away, IMO if you can avoid this and do the research into making the best purchases your dollars will stretch further.

living in NYC have you tried the NYC craigslist to see what deals are out there?

a beginner set of cd-js and a beginner mixer used would prob be less or close to the cost of the SE vci-100....

not sure on those headphones, it can be kind of a personal thing.

i could return the headsets if i think its poor. they look good but the price is right for that brand. i might buy them for 170 and then return them. but before, is there any testes or anyway to test out headsets to see if they are worth the quality? like when i receive them, what are some things i can do to see if these are worth keeping.

[DvlsAdvct]

well this would be a second job. and i will just keep practicing until a decent club accepts me. i wouldn't spin at shit places. i dont care if there are more dj's than clubs. most of those dj's arent thinking the way i'm thinking. they aint going to spin the same music i will be spinning. i'm going to spin different genre's of minimal house music. minimal is very underground in nyc and you do not find to many clubs with minimal dj's. spinning minimal music makes me unique cause of that. there arent too many minimal dj's. and even if there is a certain amount, that doesn't stop me from pulling something more unique than them. i'm a very creative person. very organized. i already have 3 folders (3 sets i'm building) folder #1 = minimal in the middle eastern. (2 tracks in there). folder #2 = minimal in latin (3 or 4 tracks in there). folder #3 = minimal tech (idk a few). and then i have some more minimal tracks from beatport that i need a friend to sometime come over and explain to me the background of the other minimal tracks i have, and explain how can i organize them and which ethnicity or group(make a new folder) can i put them in and work towards building more sets.

etc etc

You're contradicting yourself. You're going to have a VERY difficult time getting big gigs spinning minimal in this area. It is underground, and the scene is small, and that means there is even more competition and ego's in the way. If you spin hip hop or house music you can walk into a sushi restaurant and get a decent paying gig. Minimal isn't so easy.

Not that you can't do it. And not that you shouldn't try. You should try cause it's the only way you're going to know. But if you're already walking in with a mindset that you deserve it, or you're awesome, or you can change the scene, you're most likely going to be let down. And I'm putting this a LOT nicer than it has been put to me.

But believe me, if you think 3 sets of different sub-genres of minimal and a can-do attitude is gonna do it, you may be sorely disappointed.

And with headphones, personally, I think all DJ headphones with that design are shit. I've seen them fall apart on DJs heads, and they've fallen apart on mine. Granted, I am a much more aggressive DJ than most, so they may work fine for you. But if you're gonna spend that much I'd try out the Sennheiser HD25-II's. They don't look like DJ headphones but they sound amazing.