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    Quote Originally Posted by tekki View Post
    I will keep that one in mind.
    Scene releases are slowly moving over the flac, give it a while and we will have a complete conversion to lossless formats i think.

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    OK, mates, all of us are agree, after find a "minimum" (320kbps, FLAC,...) high quality, the question is in WHAT is being played, not in HOW it sounds.
    Let me say to you the last sentence that said the musician and the sound technic in the conversation that start this thread: "Recorded music is a placebo for the absence of live music, so the big trouble is to find this real option, corporations are getting the control into law, and now, in Spain the owners of little venues can't offer to their clients any kind of live music, like small bands, neither a solo show, because they don't have the services that are mandatories for a theater or a concert hall (backstage cabin, private bathrooms, etc, etc) and this is ridiculous, is like a prohibition to read if you don't wear glasses, this is the problem, they want the people from home to work and go back, and if you can pay for it, you can stop at a big commercial centre were you can find that what i sell"
    Don't think that I am saying that creative people like you aren't real music, 'cos this is not true, music with machines is another kind of live music although you were using part of the work of others like musicians use what they learn from other musicians. Thanks for your kindly answers and keep grooving, please, keep grooving and giving good sounds to the people while you can. Thanks again.

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    I just had a meeting yesterday with some SF producers... we had this exact conversation. I didn't admit that I use MP3s exclusively... But they succeeded in making me feel inferior and that FLAC and WAV are the only quality formats. Ah well... I'll use FLAC if I can get it, but WAV just takes too much space.
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    That's the thing, B33son...

    The space is a factor... while dollar to byte ratios are still really low, if my collection was all in WAV format... I think it would be in the terabytes of space, as opposed to under 200 gigs. And will the crowd notice the difference? I don't think so
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    Quote Originally Posted by BentoSan View Post
    Scene releases are slowly moving over the flac, give it a while and we will have a complete conversion to lossless formats i think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mycole View Post
    I just had a meeting yesterday with some SF producers... we had this exact conversation. I didn't admit that I use MP3s exclusively... But they succeeded in making me feel inferior and that FLAC and WAV are the only quality formats. Ah well... I'll use FLAC if I can get it, but WAV just takes too much space.
    Ive read on a number of occasions thats 320kbps is audibly indistinguishable from WAV formats - not sure how much truth there is in this though i can honestly say i havent tested with decent equipment.

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    Also another reason that MP3 will remain the standard for sometimes is companies such as beatport will charge you extra for .wav (because they can/ more data being sent leads to them useing more bandwith)
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    Bento:

    Just to not deviate too much and hijack the thread... the main reason you can actually "hear" a difference is because in MP3s, depending on the encoder and settings, there are many frequencies that can be filtered... this is especially true on high and very low freqs.



    To make a good compression algorithm for sound, a technique called perceptual noise shaping is used. It's "perceptual" partly because the MP3 format uses characteristics of the human ear to design the compression algorithm. For example:

    * There are certain sounds that the human ear cannot hear.
    * There are certain sounds that the human ear hears much better than others.
    * If there are two sounds playing simultaneously, we hear the louder one but cannot hear the softer one.

    Using facts like these, certain parts of a song can be eliminated without significantly hurting the quality of the song for the listener.

    Therefore you can immediately notice a dull, flat sound... also lacking some punch and bass freqs as well as missing high freqs.

    If you want, we can open another thread regarding this explanation..
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    what i've heard is that 320kbps is ALMOST indistinguishable from WAV and if a dj were to compare the two, they would see that for a DJ, there is no point in getting WAV files that take up over 2000% of the size of your collection just to get a slightly better (if noticeable) sound quality and play it at a local club or whatever that has a less than par, if not decent, sound system.

    From what i know, you only want the very best quality (WAV), if

    a: you're a producer

    b: you're an audio fidelity geek

    but i reiterate that the noticeable difference is not enough, IMO, to account for the increased disk space.

    *i have bought another copy of a song off beatport in the wav format and tested it on my Tapco th15a speakers, and i have to say, "i don't hear the difference at all" my speakers aren't the best in the line, but for my occasional parties that i throw at home sometimes, i'm confident the drunks won't hear the difference.

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    (There are quite some producer-turned DJs and producing DJs on this forum. But I catch the point of ordinairy folk not picking up the difference.)
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