Is it wrong to steal music u have already bought?

[djfrogstar]

Everyone wants to be an artist and get paid for their hobby. Nothing wrong with that. The personal satisfaction people get from manipulating a sound cannot be measured in $. Thats the end goal of any hobby, to enjoy what your doing. People dont understand that every era will have different factors. The info world now is a mix of control and no control over information.

I fully support all record labels trying to make it in this era.. but on the same note.. if they expect equal treatment and the chance to make money for their hard work... then we need to take it further...

all designers who worked on a record sleeve should be payed a percentage out of the money earned from a label.. or it shouldnt be allowed in the MP3 download. Why shouldnt those poor designers get money for their hardwork that is being used on itunes or whatever to show the cover of the album. Lets be fair now... regardless if you make your own cover... I dont care... but if you buy music online then lets add 30 cents to every 99 cent download and pay more for digital music so record labels will stop STEALING money out of the pockets of the designers who were probally ripped off in terms of what they got paid. Same goes with music videos... When a music video is made... Shadow low life record labels try and get the video made as cheap as possible by getting slave labor to make them. Record labels are crooks when it comes to getting free work/low ball numbers for music production. I think it should be illegal for record labels to post their videos on youtube unless they pay out the people who worked on them. Again I know some labels or artists are able to make their own videos to their songs. Record labels should pay everytime a logo appears on their product from the original designer..

all this is nonsense .. my point is people are being ripped off everyday in many ways. Do record labels sit there and think... man this single sold really well and now that we have put the artwork we paid for onto flyers posters etc.. and we only had to pay him one time. No I say its a per use. because your stealing the soul of the artist(designer) and using his art again to generate money.

[LanceBlaise]

For the last 20 years THIS is whats wrong with he EDM scene. Big labels want the Big DJs to have the best tracks. While us little guys dont get the track until the big guys have been playing it for 6 months and by the tiime we got it its been played out. YEAH for the System, it works soooo well....

Um, well its one way to promote the music. Its always how its been done, either by mailing out the records or by now sending an mp3. Most things get sent out on promo by labels about 3 weeks in advance, so I don't think the stuff is getting played for 6 months by the big names. Usually when this happens its because the track was given to the big name DJ by the person who produced the track. Half the time the track isn't signed and its being played out live in sets. This isn't really a problem, its not like every single big name DJ has it and hey are rocking it all over the world and then it comes out on beatport and no one wants to hear it anymore... Like I said, most label promos are sent a few weeks prior to the release date, tracks shouldn't be stale after just a few weeks.

[Djtom420]

Um, well its one way to promote the music. Its always how its been done, either by mailing out the records or by now sending an mp3. Most things get sent out on promo by labels about 3 weeks in advance, so I don't think the stuff is getting played for 6 months by the big names. Usually when this happens its because the track was given to the big name DJ by the person who produced the track. Half the time the track isn't signed and its being played out live in sets. This isn't really a problem, its not like every single big name DJ has it and hey are rocking it all over the world and then it comes out on beatport and no one wants to hear it anymore... Like I said, most label promos are sent a few weeks prior to the release date, tracks shouldn't be stale after just a few weeks.

Dont know how old u r lance, but back in the late 90s I remember a track called, "the launch" and that track was getting played 6 months before it was released. Seemd every big name DJ in los angeles had the track, but u couldnt find it ANYWHERE out here. by the time it was release that song was PLAYED OUT!!!

this was of course before beatport.

[LanceBlaise]

Everyone wants to be an artist and get paid for their hobby. Nothing wrong with that. The personal satisfaction people get from manipulating a sound cannot be measured in $. Thats the end goal of any hobby, to enjoy what your doing. People dont understand that every era will have different factors. The info world now is a mix of control and no control over information.

I fully support all record labels trying to make it in this era.. but on the same note.. if they expect equal treatment and the chance to make money for their hard work... then we need to take it further...

all designers who worked on a record sleeve should be payed a percentage out of the money earned from a label.. or it shouldnt be allowed in the MP3 download. Why shouldnt those poor designers get money for their hardwork that is being used on itunes or whatever to show the cover of the album. Lets be fair now... regardless if you make your own cover... I dont care... but if you buy music online then lets add 30 cents to every 99 cent download and pay more for digital music so record labels will stop STEALING money out of the pockets of the designers who were probally ripped off in terms of what they got paid. Same goes with music videos... When a music video is made... Shadow low life record labels try and get the video made as cheap as possible by getting slave labor to make them. Record labels are crooks when it comes to getting free work/low ball numbers for music production. I think it should be illegal for record labels to post their videos on youtube unless they pay out the people who worked on them. Again I know some labels or artists are able to make their own videos to their songs. Record labels should pay everytime a logo appears on their product from the original designer..

all this is nonsense .. my point is people are being ripped off everyday in many ways. Do record labels sit there and think... man this single sold really well and now that we have put the artwork we paid for onto flyers posters etc.. and we only had to pay him one time. No I say its a per use. because your stealing the soul of the artist(designer) and using his art again to generate money.

Unfortunately that is not the way this industry works. The people who make the artwork sign a contract and agree to a one time fee, which is probably better for them then having to wait for a 10% margin of sales after the distributor takes their cut, and so on. I for one in the pasthave been on the end as a designer, and getting money to make a cover for a single sold on Beatport is way better than any tiny percentage i would get paid, especially when the label would come back to me and tell me, "hey we only made $100 of this EP because its all over blog and torrent sites so no one is buying it, but don't worry everyone is playing it so the producer got great exposure... here is $10 for all your hardwork." So now before where the designer could have had $150 he now gets $10 cause of you cutting him in on that sweet % deal.

Labels lots of times lose money because they pay an artist a fee upfront for the music. If that track gets leaked then the artist still got his cut, but the label now lost their chance of making the proper amount of money they deserved. Its a big gamble nowadays, and really it boils down to, Who is going to take the gamble, the artist or the label...?"

[LanceBlaise]

Dont know how old u r lance, but back in the late 90s I remember a track called, "the launch" and that track was getting played 6 months before it was released. Seemd every big name DJ in los angeles had the track, but u couldnt find it ANYWHERE out here. by the time it was release that song was PLAYED OUT!!!

this was of course before beatport.

Well lets just say I am old enough to know that track when it was out... And there are exceptions to everything, but today most releases are promo'd to DJ about 3 weeks before the actual release date. Again there are always exceptions, and there are always tracks that are sent out by the producer to other DJs. I know I have received tracks from friends that were not signed yet, and I played the tracks for like 4 months before they were released, but the tracks weren't over played or anything like that... It really depends on the situation, but I think you are being a bit extreme thinking that this is hurting the industry. Its important as a label and as an artist to have the support of fellow djs/producers.

[Djtom420]

Labels lots of times lose money because they pay an artist a fee upfront for the music. If that track gets leaked then the artist still got his cut, but the label now lost their chance of making the proper amount of money they deserved. Its a big gamble nowadays, and really it boils down to, Who is going to take the gamble, the artist or the label...?"

Well this is inherently the labels fault for hiring people that obviously cant be trusted.

The last company I worked with as a consultant we secured an entire studio recording system so that NO ONE could make copys and remove them from the studio this included band members as well. We also cut out internet access to the studio so as to keep engineers from emailing tracks. there were no leaks of this album prior to the official release, i will not name the artist here but u either LOVE them or HATE them. If more labels took these precautions leaks wouldn't be an issue.

MY wife used to be a graphic designer doing singles, albums, thirsts, and logo work. She no loner does this anymore, theres no money in it.

Not trying to get to OT here or start a thing, but i just have some experience in this arena.

[willrjmarshall]

It's not stealing but copyright infringement. Completely different things.

In spite of claims to the contrary, depending on where you live and how you download files it's not necessarily illegal. Copyright law is more complex than people assume.

Even in situations where it is illegal, it's not criminal, but could potentially be grounds for a civil suit against you. Which makes it unenforceable.

[Djtom420]

It really depends on the situation, but I think you are being a bit extreme thinking that this is hurting the industry. Its important as a label and as an artist to have the support of fellow djs/producers.

No, i wasn't saying it Hurts the industry, not all all. I was saying its one of the problems with this industry for the little guy. And I really only say that as a local DJ and not as a big name DJ. its really just an opinion.

Things are better now with beatport and tracksource. back in the day labels never knew if a track was gonna be a big or not. So some tracks only got like 5000 pressing and it would take months for the next batch to come through, IE robert miles childeren circa 98-99. You couldnt find that record anywhere but on Ebay for like 30 of 50 bux. Now a days they dont limit mp3 pressings. LOL

[willrjmarshall]

Also,

There are a bunch of you in here asserting that filesharing is hurting the music industry. Please check your facts: there's been good research on this (bunch of references in an article I wrote last year at http://publicacta.org.nz/acta-what-b...o-new-zealand/)

Basically, filesharing A: has no measurable impact on record labels and B: confers a measurable benefit to independent and small artists. Feel free to be opposed to filesharing, but at least make sure you've read and understood the *actual* impact it has instead of blindly assuming one

[Djtom420]

Also,

There are a bunch of you in here asserting that filesharing is hurting the music industry. Please check your facts: there's been good research on this (bunch of references in an article I wrote last year at http://publicacta.org.nz/acta-what-b...o-new-zealand/)

Basically, filesharing A: has no measurable impact on record labels and B: confers a measurable benefit to independent and small artists. Feel free to be opposed to filesharing, but at least make sure you've read and understood the *actual* impact it has instead of blindly assuming one

I think this has been posted like 3 times in the previos pages of this post.