Traktor home edition

[beanzos]

Is it that bad for them to make money on software they develop and spend on marketing and promotion?

+1

and without the software they make, would we even have a forum to have these discussion and common passion?

[dj stifffy]

Is it that bad for them to make money on software they develop and spend on marketing and promotion?

.... YES.... DAMN THEM for being clever and creating products we love

[MrPopinjay]

The artist are pretty much getting screwed either way

haha too right :P

[rdej47]

Not gonna lie I torrented my first copy of Traktor Scratch Pro, but I eventually gained the appreciation for the work that goes into making these products. Sounds bad but i'm glad I did. Maybe if I picked Serato first I wouldn't be a Traktor user. However since then I've bought the Audio 8 DJ, Traktor Kontrol S4, Maschine, Kore 2, Kontrol X1, and Traktor Scratch Pro S4 upgrade. I think NI is the best in the business and if you really love their products, find a way to give back, start small and buy something like a soundcard or the X1 from them.

[theory28]

http://www.cracked.com/article_18513...-internet.html



in other words, it advertises for its self. right or not.

[photojojo]

http://www.cracked.com/article_18513...-internet.html



in other words, it advertises for its self. right or not.

The full quote from the cnet article.

Gates shed some light on his own hard-nosed business philosophy. "Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, but people don't pay for the software," he said. "Someday they will, though. As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade."

Read more: http://news.cnet.com/2100-1023-21294...#ixzz1One8UZDq

It's not that he agrees with it, it's that he thinks that sometime in the next decade they'll figure out how to keep people from pirating the software. Then when they have to buy it they'll buy what they're comfortable with.

[mostapha]

If I hadn't "stolen" Traktor first, I never would have bought it. I'd still be on either CDs or Ableton.

The 30 minute demo is all well and good, but there's no such thing as being able to return software to a store (for obvious reasons). Conversely, there's nothing stopping you from buying a pair of CDJs and a mixer, trying them out at a gig, and returning them–if you decide not to keep them–as long as they're still in good condition. There are also a lot of live sound companies out there that will rent you similar equipment for a small fee (the last time I did it, a pair of CDJ-1000s and a DJM-600 was like $100 for a weekend).

I'd downloaded, installed, ran, gotten annoyed with, and deleted the normal demo of Traktor about 8 times. It literally took stealing a copy that would work for more than 30 minutes to show me that I actually wanted to use it.

The fact that you can't return software makes it fundamentally different from in my mind, and I wanted to know how Traktor performed in a live situation before I made the purchase. By the time I got around to actually paying for Traktor, I'd already given NI $500 (an Audio 2 and a pair of X1s) and was perfectly happy to pay another $140 to upgrade one of my 3 legal copies of Traktor LE. I didn't even use the Beatport gift cards until I was sure I was going to keep the actual pieces. Then, when I decided to buy it, I started hearing rumors of a new version and decided to wait…which meant I needed to make sure that TPro2 was stable and worked as well…and as soon as that was satisfied, I ponied up the cash.

Traktor's Demo does not provide adequate time for testing the software, and it sure doesn't let you perform with it first. It's almost as useless as the LE version.

I've also had random little issues due to ridiculous licensing requirements that lead me to steal software that I legitimately owned. Battery would be one of them if I gave a damn about it. I've installed and registered my copy twice, which I think means I can't install it again. I've looked at NI's website to see if I could de-authorize one of the computers it's installed on–since I don't own them anymore–and…no luck. I'm not buying it again. I'm also not using it because Maschine is just plain better, but the point stands as a decent example. I can show you the package if you want, but unless they changed their licensing from what it says on the little book thing that came with it, I can't install it again without de-authorizing a computer that I don't own anymore or buying a new copy. Screw that.

I also have an old copy of some photo tagging software that I bought years ago. It still runs fine on modern laptops (early universal binary) but the company got bought out not long after the version I have…and the software phones home on install…to a company website that doesn't exist. I don't want the new version…I just want the old one I paid for to work.

It doesn't. It won't. And there's no one to call as the new copyright owners have made it painfully clear that they're not supporting old versions that work fine even to the extent that they won't tell me how to install it. Technically, using a cracked copy of that software is in violation of the license agreement. But, really…come on. That's crap.

I really wish that people would take either the iLok stance or the apparent Apple stance. iLoks are a really nice solution to that problem: they give you a physical thing that stores your licenses. Want to buy a new computer? Fine…keep that one USB key. Work in 10 places? Cool…install the software on all of them…it'll only start if the iLok is plugged in, so we don't care. Conversely, Apple seems to just not care. Yeah, things like Logic and Aperture have license keys, but they don't care how many computers you install them on…they just check to make sure that only one copy is running on your LAN at a time. There isn't even a license key on OS X, and as of Lion, they have explicitly stated that the $29 price includes licenses every Mac you own. You just have to authorize it on the Mac AppStore, which just requires your AppleID and Password. There might be a limit, but I haven't seen anything about it. If there is, it's likely to be ~10.

I'm all for paying for the tools you use. God knows I've spent way too much money on music stuff–especially software–but the more hoops a company makes me jump through to use their software after I've given them money, the more it makes me want to just not care and steal it.

I've never stolen a piece of software and not had it easier to install and run than the real thing. Never. And, frankly, I think that's crap. Way to punish your customers for the actions of your thieves.

[dj stifffy]

If I hadn't "stolen" Traktor first, I never would have bought it. I'd still be on either CDs or Ableton.

The 30 minute demo is all well and good, but there's no such thing as being able to return software to a store (for obvious reasons). Conversely, there's nothing stopping you from buying a pair of CDJs and a mixer, trying them out at a gig, and returning them–if you decide not to keep them–as long as they're still in good condition. There are also a lot of live sound companies out there that will rent you similar equipment for a small fee (the last time I did it, a pair of CDJ-1000s and a DJM-600 was like $100 for a weekend).

I'd downloaded, installed, ran, gotten annoyed with, and deleted the normal demo of Traktor about 8 times. It literally took stealing a copy that would work for more than 30 minutes to show me that I actually wanted to use it.

The fact that you can't return software makes it fundamentally different from in my mind, and I wanted to know how Traktor performed in a live situation before I made the purchase. By the time I got around to actually paying for Traktor, I'd already given NI $500 (an Audio 2 and a pair of X1s) and was perfectly happy to pay another $140 to upgrade one of my 3 legal copies of Traktor LE. I didn't even use the Beatport gift cards until I was sure I was going to keep the actual pieces. Then, when I decided to buy it, I started hearing rumors of a new version and decided to wait…which meant I needed to make sure that TPro2 was stable and worked as well…and as soon as that was satisfied, I ponied up the cash.

Traktor's Demo does not provide adequate time for testing the software, and it sure doesn't let you perform with it first. It's almost as useless as the LE version.

I've also had random little issues due to ridiculous licensing requirements that lead me to steal software that I legitimately owned. Battery would be one of them if I gave a damn about it. I've installed and registered my copy twice, which I think means I can't install it again. I've looked at NI's website to see if I could de-authorize one of the computers it's installed on–since I don't own them anymore–and…no luck. I'm not buying it again. I'm also not using it because Maschine is just plain better, but the point stands as a decent example. I can show you the package if you want, but unless they changed their licensing from what it says on the little book thing that came with it, I can't install it again without de-authorizing a computer that I don't own anymore or buying a new copy. Screw that.

I also have an old copy of some photo tagging software that I bought years ago. It still runs fine on modern laptops (early universal binary) but the company got bought out not long after the version I have…and the software phones home on install…to a company website that doesn't exist. I don't want the new version…I just want the old one I paid for to work.

It doesn't. It won't. And there's no one to call as the new copyright owners have made it painfully clear that they're not supporting old versions that work fine even to the extent that they won't tell me how to install it. Technically, using a cracked copy of that software is in violation of the license agreement. But, really…come on. That's crap.

I really wish that people would take either the iLok stance or the apparent Apple stance. iLoks are a really nice solution to that problem: they give you a physical thing that stores your licenses. Want to buy a new computer? Fine…keep that one USB key. Work in 10 places? Cool…install the software on all of them…it'll only start if the iLok is plugged in, so we don't care. Conversely, Apple seems to just not care. Yeah, things like Logic and Aperture have license keys, but they don't care how many computers you install them on…they just check to make sure that only one copy is running on your LAN at a time. There isn't even a license key on OS X, and as of Lion, they have explicitly stated that the $29 price includes licenses every Mac you own. You just have to authorize it on the Mac AppStore, which just requires your AppleID and Password. There might be a limit, but I haven't seen anything about it. If there is, it's likely to be ~10.

I'm all for paying for the tools you use. God knows I've spent way too much money on music stuff–especially software–but the more hoops a company makes me jump through to use their software after I've given them money, the more it makes me want to just not care and steal it.

I've never stolen a piece of software and not had it easier to install and run than the real thing. Never. And, frankly, I think that's crap. Way to punish your customers for the actions of your thieves.

bought a tear to my eye... I had a problem kind of like this with samplitude... I bought a product for like 100 quid which was a lot when I was younger.. (I dont have parents that spoil me), and then upgraded to the next version... but they sent the download link and didnt send the serial number... after months of going back and forth and them saying I hadnt purchased it off them even though I could print screen emails and bank statements I just downloaded a crack of there newly updated version and stopped contact with them.