VJKungFu game controller setup walkthroughs.

[de_stilj]

Live computer generated graphics will never be comparable to what human brain is capable of doing in term of creativity. Did you go visit the myspace of play collective? Those dude are doing things 1000x times more interesting than computer generated graphic. Bento what you are exactly saying is that a dj could be easily replaced by a computer.

Djing and Vjing is exactly the same thing dude... It can't be done by a computer, since feeling and creativity are being involved, sure there will be technology where the vj can plug is computer on the dj computer to have his video influenced by the music... it already exist... but you are really talking like someone who don't have a clue what professional vjing is.
sorry it's hard for me to explain myself because i'm french but i think you are totally missing the boat here.

[Andrew Loay]

I don't think Bento meant that de_stilj

[de_stilj]

I hope so

[BentoSan]

Im not talking about some sort of winamp visualisation plugin here where the video just does its own thing if thats what your getting at. Im talking about using the same sort of engines those videos were constructed in the first place to generate the graphics on the fly - then different objects inside can be controlled individually as opposed to a video clip being controlled as an entirety.

I drop a bassline, and an object appears thats bobbing up and down in time with the bassline, i hit an effect on that and the object thats linked to the bassline begins to distort as the knob is turned up and up.

I throw in a melody from another track and auotmaticly the object attached to the melody appears on the screen - as i turn up the start panning the break from left to right this object automaticly starts getting thrown from one side of the screen to the other. Lets say that same object is on a suround system and you start panning it from front left speaker to back left to back right to front right, the visualisation starts spinning around and around.

No VJ can possibly react to that sort of thing and keep it all intime without being a purely prestaged act to begin with. In which case the DJ might as well just be standing on a big pryamid ala daftpunk style as a fancy prestaged light show goes off aound them.

[de_stilj]

yeah but it's vj job to invent and design these thing...
But what you describe here would be the most boring vjing experience ever. I think that the miscomception come from the fact that people don't know what vjing is really is because they never saw it.
Vjing include more than just putting animation in sync with the beat.
Vjing are there to set a mood and an atmosphere.
Vj can design some screen and projector settup for a special event.
Vj can program software like you are talking about bento, but it take serious programming skill, since alot of vj come from art and design it is less their cup of tea.
yes of course a dj can put some visual when he play... But dude a dj have alot of other thing to think when djing and it would be very hard to control everything at once and I don't know many dj who have 6 arm like that mortal kombat final boss... haha

generating graphic on the fly seems cool at first but the limitation show instantanly and get very boring...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq6Kz717ytA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLc6ou_PAbY
when program will be able to generate this kind of thing on the fly I will be worried for vj
http://vimeo.com/2143133

[DvlsAdvct]

The next level of VJing?

[EYENSEE]

I drop a bassline, and an object appears thats bobbing up and down in time with the bassline, i hit an effect on that and the object thats linked to the bassline begins to distort as the knob is turned up and up.

check out this AVENUE 3

its not 'DJ' software and it cant do all the fancy things in Traktor, its more of a audio/visual performance.

http://www.resolume.com/avenue/features.php

I throw in a melody from another track and auotmaticly the object attached to the melody appears on the screen - as i turn up the start panning the break from left to right this object automaticly starts getting thrown from one side of the screen to the other. Lets say that same object is on a suround system and you start panning it from front left speaker to back left to back right to front right, the visualisation starts spinning around and around.

this can be done, and is being done - great idea on the panning!

No VJ can possibly react to that sort of thing and keep it all intime without being a purely prestaged act to begin with.

true, but, if DJ's were to use a universal midi controller for a mixer. You could preprogram all the knobs/sliders/jog wheels to specific 'actions' in manipulating the graphic or video.

doing this would now give the VJ that extra 'hand' and have more time focusing on setting the mood of the party... for example... "this sound, sounds like it should be the color green, and those little blips and horns look like this..." you just throw that in there... and any on-the-fly filters and effects done by the dj, would be already taken care of. You could as well now mess with the video/graphics to put your own spin on the visuals.

lol, did i lose anyone there in my explanation? ^^

[/QUOTE]

Vjing include more than just putting animation in sync with the beat.
Vjing are there to set a mood and an atmosphere.
Vj can design some screen and projector settup for a special event.

yes, so true

wow thx fatlimey!

i was curious about VJing ever since i saw the small EYENSEE vid, where he showed that he's using VCI100 for VJing. (i wasn't VCI100 owner back then tho)

was it this video you were refering to?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbEhCiLiS_Y&fmt=18

[BentoSan]

true, but, if DJ's were to use a universal midi controller for a mixer. You could preprogram all the knobs/sliders/jog wheels to specific 'actions' in manipulating the graphic or video.

Thats a looooong way off and infact i have my doubt as to if there ever will be stardard ever again - different musicians need drifferent rigs, theres no one sized fits all anymore. We MIGHT see touchscreens being a standard but even then the layout would change from user to user making this idea null.

The only way for this ever to be practicle is if the VJ and the DJ worked together all the time.

doing this would now give the VJ that extra 'hand' and have more time focusing on setting the mood of the party... for example... "this sound, sounds like it should be the color green, and those little blips and horns look like this..." you just throw that in there... and any on-the-fly filters and effects done by the dj, would be already taken care of. You could as well now mess with the video/graphics to put your own spin on the visuals.

lol, did i lose anyone there in my explanation? ^^

My idea is more based around the fact that the artist has created a sort of video clip for the tune inside of a 3d program to begin with, then the midi controller doesnt different things based on the context of whats happening in the video clip. So turning the delay knob isnt allways going to do the exact same thing every time you turn it, it would be context based - ie depending on what part of the sequence is playing that knob will do different things. This is what would keep thing interesting and not make the whole night the same sort of stuf that would eventually start to bore the audience.

I dont think that sort of thing would work well with a dj and vj because the vj would have to be constantly reassigning parameters of what the djs setup is doing to suit the video that he wants to play. Logisticly i could see it being a nightmare for the VJ.

[Monika.mhz]

I vote on VideoSL + Pioneer SVM-1000. They're a match made in heaven.

[lethal_pizzle]

Last night a VJ saved my life!
Any word on what the muzak is? There is a big 'Paper, Scissor, Stone' shaped hole in my life!