A dose of economics

[Kaon]

ugh... who wants a nice, goold old fashioned bloody revolution?

i reckon the vci would make a bloody good weapon, you could smash skulls with that thing.


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i always rant on about the 2012 crap moslty just to see how other people relate to it, but here it comes lolz. the entire condition of the "global mind" (my theoretical 'brain' made up of the combined will power of free-will beings) is about to change dramatically, a complete rebirth and new direction for human beings. could very well be the best thing that ever happened to the planet, or the very worst, either way, the change is beggining right now.

[Kaon]

I don't agree at all, Kaon. I am of the mindset that in the state of nature we have no rights, not even the right to live. I think it's Hobbes that says that, and Locke says we still retain the right to live, even in the state of nature. I could be wrong on this cause it's been a LONG time since I've studied philosophy or political theory.

I think it's part of human nature to take from others for ones self. Laws are in place, a sort of sacrifice of our rights to steal, kill, and horde, to protect us from that. I don't think people would live in peace in the world under any circumstances, especially if there were other people around them who had cooler shit.

i think we'd all be fine if we an abundance of resources. and in reality we dont really know what the state of our resources is because i think we can safely assume that the people who give us this information are greedy lying scumbags

[Kaon]

ive never really studied philosophy but it is my main interest, ocasionally ill read a book but id rather learn knowledge thru disussions such as this, so my arguments may sometimes seem silly, but thats how i learn

[BentoSan]

i think we'd all be fine if we an abundance of resources. and in reality we dont really know what the state of our resources is because i think we can safely assume that the people who give us this information are greedy lying scumbags

I dont think thats any excuse to keep using non-renewable resources though when there are perfectly good alternatives.

Hemp is a friggen wonder plant, we need to be planting a whole lot more of that !! It can be used for food products, fuel, energy, uses no chemicals - its just a huge threat to those who run the system so they brainwash people into thinking that its the skirge of evil.

[kidfromkibbly]

I think that the main reason this all happened is cause people saw the opportunity to use mathmatical formulas to make a metric fuck ton of money.

I agree with everything else you've said Dvls, except for this. The collapse came around almost solely because banks started loaning money like it was a marketable product. There's no mathematical formula behind it.

Brokers were given whacking great bonuses as incentive rewards to give bigger and more loans. To do this they started to ignore the old criteria for giving a loan such as credit ratings and income and started loaning money to people who could not afford to pay it back when the economy started to slow, leaving the banks with their dick in their hand and loaded with toxic debts which they couldn't remedy because the bigger international banks wouldn't loan them the money, thanks to the slow down, to cover their toxic debt.

[kidfromkibbly]

i think we'd all be fine if we an abundance of resources. and in reality we dont really know what the state of our resources is because i think we can safely assume that the people who give us this information are greedy lying scumbags

I dont think thats any excuse to keep using non-renewable resources though when there are perfectly good alternatives.

Have to agree with Bento on this.

Also even if there was an abundance of resources, we'd still just end up burning the candle at both ends and consume twice as much twice as quick. We'd burn oil day and night because it was there and not a though would be given to alternative fuels becuase the impending financial dilemma of our diminishing oil supply wouldn't be there.

In my opinion, and to my chagrin, it seems that there has to be an imperative before humans will consider changing a circumstance.

[Kaon]

I dont think thats any excuse to keep using non-renewable resources though when there are perfectly good alternatives.

Hemp is a friggen wonder plant, we need to be planting a whole lot more of that !! It can be used for food products, fuel, energy, uses no chemicals - its just a huge threat to those who run the system so they brainwash people into thinking that its the skirge of evil.

ya never gonna happen with these tards in power. accessing hemp potential would absolutely crush most of the biggest industries in the world. and i agree hell no its no excuse to keep using non-renewable resources. there never was an excuse, cept money of course, but as i keep saying, its a shitty system. there needs to be some kind of punishment, like if you earn too much money too fast without donating to those in need ill cut off your hands

[BentoSan]

Its these sorts of conversations that is going to put an end to all this pain and heartache, its only a matter of time before we reclaim what is rightfully ours. In the meantime is going to take the persistance of people like us to keep these conversations very much alive and educate everyone we can, even if they think were crazy.

Theres a big social stigma for even talking about this stuff, people are brainwashed into wanting to hear about it - but be persistant and in the end we will prevail.

The internet is changing things BIG time, this information was once not easily accessable and now it is. People are learning the truth and are growing sick of being slaves to multinational corperations and banks.

Some people reading this are probably thinking im mental and i may lose credibility with some folk, but its what i believe and nothing it not going to stop me from talking about these issues. For too long have we been shut up and its time for change. Never be afraid to open your mouths and fight for what you beleive in.

[Kaon]

Have to agree with Bento on this.

Also even if there was an abundance of resources, we'd still just end up burning the candle at both ends and consume twice as much twice as quick. We'd burn oil day and night because it was there and not a though would be given to alternative fuels becuase the impending financial dilemma of our diminishing oil supply wouldn't be there.

In my opinion, and to my chagrin, it seems that there has to be an imperative before humans will consider changing a circumstance.

i agree with bento too, i didnt mean to sound however i sounded heh
what you mean by "chagrin" i cant work out wat word thats supposed to be

[kidfromkibbly]

cha·grin (shə-grĭn')
n. A keen feeling of mental unease, as of annoyance or embarrassment, caused by failure, disappointment, or a disconcerting event

Always wanted to use the word, and had the opportunity!