More respects using Turntables?

[zestoi]

must admit i was just a tiny bit shocked when i read the OP say.....

Its like the owners of the clubs and radio station lady expect you to know how to really beatmatch two records, and mix.

no shit sherlock.... if they want a dj then they want to know you *can* dj...

if you want to work as a pro dj then you need to be able to work with whatever equipment they have so yep you would ofc need to be able to beatmatch and mix (tho surely you have to be able to *mix* no matter what?)

right now personally i'm having a lot of fun using the evil sync button and mixing my own stuff into tunes etc. i dont think either way is harder or easier - just different. unless when using sync all you are doing is using quantize and just generally pressing buttons like a twat without any real feel for the music. or if you're not actually doing anything extra with the time that sync has saved you ofc...

edit: personally i have no experience of using cdj's or any dvs system so if i wanted to work as a commercial dj (which i don't) then i would be stupid not to try and pick up those skills. like me as a coder... a few years back i only really coded in C/C++/Perl (mostly) but had to get back into php (even tho i ddint like it at the time) as thats where lots of money was and now i probably earn 50% of my income from php work.

[ksandvik]

^ yeah but that's not the point. It's like beatmatching on a controller or on turntables. There is an enjoyment, an interaction with the music and equipment that does not happen when using a VCI-100 or a MidiFighter. Sort of like driving an automatic car or a manual.

I find the interaction of having to move a slider, match tempos, drop a track in time, knudge it, etc. I find that much more enjoyable than pressing a button. It's also harder and that's why TT's get the respect they do.

I think it depends on the DJ and style, I'm more interested in on the spot remixes and totally new arrangements of songs. Which I think is the market for all these new controllers. Requires a different kind of technique, i.e. knowing how music flows and so on.

BTW, all my 6+ cars since 1988 have been manual but the next one will be automatic, enough of 'being in control' of a car, after a while it also becomes boring.

[MrPopinjay]

That's not harder on the spot though, it just requires more leg work before hand. With vinyl you have to work at it every time and constantly put effort into it in order to achieve a good mix. With ableton I can put together an awesome and complex set and then do my entire performance of picking clips while utterly shit faced while doing zero work.

It's the difficulty and physicality that gets respect, not the complexity.

[verbal]

It's all business and the club making money.

I really don't see what business and the club making money has to do with some DJ bringing in his own gear to DJ with that he KNOWS how to use.

[verbal]

It shouldn't matter what you use. Everything has its own intricacies and I don't think a guy who shows up with a mixer and a pair of technics is any better than a guy who shows up with a pair of cdjs or a guy with his VCI-100.

This.

Bars that have bands play every weekend don't have a drum kit, guitar, bass guitar, mics, amps, etc, all setup for a "standard" stage. The band brings their own shit and sets up. With the ever expanding variety of DJ equipment, clubs/radio stations should setup their space so it's EASY to swap out equipment and so their setup isn't easily completely messed up in the process.

[verbal]

^ yeah but that's not the point. It's like beatmatching on a controller or on turntables. There is an enjoyment, an interaction with the music and equipment that does not happen when using a VCI-100 or a MidiFighter. Sort of like driving an automatic car or a manual.

I find the interaction of having to move a slider, match tempos, drop a track in time, knudge it, etc. I find that much more enjoyable than pressing a button. It's also harder and that's why TT's get the respect they do.

You get the enjoyment out of that while someone else gets the enjoyment out of their controllers, and could quite possibly be interacting with them just as much as you are while beatmatching, if not more.

I agree, using TTs is harder, but how many people in a club really know that? And who truely cares? Is anyone going to see a packed dance floor then notice the DJ isn't using turntables and leave the club?

[verbal]

That's not harder on the spot though, it just requires more leg work before hand. With vinyl you have to work at it every time and constantly put effort into it in order to achieve a good mix. With ableton I can put together an awesome and complex set and then do my entire performance of picking clips while utterly shit faced while doing zero work.

It's the difficulty and physicality that gets respect, not the complexity.

I've never liked a DJ because what he was doing was difficult and/or he was being more physical. It's all about the vibe he's giving based on track selection and mixing. Period.

[photojojo]

Surprised no one's called troll yet.

[Liambo]

It's simple, if you use turntables your respected. If you use a controller your imaginative.

[DigitalDevil]

And it takes ages for bands to setup and changeover... Not terribly desirable for a DJ when you have the option to hire someone that can move things along smoothly with no need for soundchecks or anything. If I could hire a band that could mix out of the last band's set, I certainly would!

Edit: it seems we're on the verge of this becoming another "real DJ" thread... In b4 shitstorm