Stanto SCS.3?

[zestoi]

this thread just convinced me to pick one up for 50quid from ebay anyway. i'm going to have a hell of a lot of fun mapping with this device

[nem0nic]

If you need info, let me know.

[zestoi]

If you need info, let me know.

cheers - i may well do i've had a quick gander at the docs i downloaded from the stanton site and they seem to explain it all - but i won't know until i actually try i guess.

very interesting device this anyway. don't think i'd like to have a solely touch sensitive set of controllers but having this one in the mix (literally ) for effects or deck control (or who knows what) should be very cool.

edit: i seem to be going for the record for the largest set of cheap controllers here... not that the scs.3d was cheap when new but is a bargain 2nd hand.

[nukage]

Oh, and while we're talking about it I'll add this. The SCS.3d sends both an absolute and relative message (as well as note on/off) for EVERY slider. So there's NO NEED for BMT to turn an absolute message into relative (or vice versa). All you need to do is to map to the appropriate message. And because every slider not only sends both types of CC message but also note on/off when you touch it, you can use the sliders to do some pretty sick things that aren't possible with tactile controls. A good example of this is to use a slider to turn an effect on while you're touching the slider, and the position of your finger controls a parameter in that effect. I personally use that for the beatmasher and it sounds sick. Oh yeah, and that's without using DaRouter.

Can someone tell me how to achieve this? I'm referring to the ability to only hold an effect while your finger is down on the SCS. Is it possible with the default traktor settings or do you need to use the generic settings, or change something in bome's? I've always wanted this feature, to be able to use mine like a Kaoss pad.

I agree that you can really mess around with it just by changing the .tsi, I changed all the functions on my single unit to be 'focus deck' then I use all the deck B controls for alternative functions. For example you can have the deck B scratch mode control fx similar to Ean's Fader FX mode. Now I'm thinking of making one of the deck B modes control the loop recorder since I'm running out of buttons on my APC40. I still mainly use my SCS for finding the first beat of a song since all my other controllers are button-based, and it's just great to have it just in case I need to throw in a track that I haven't gridded.

[Bassline Brine]

I have to chime in on this.

I don't personally own the SCS3 system, but a close friend of mine does. He used Torq with Numark TT100's for years (and recently has been messing about with Torq 2.0 with the tables again) and decided he wanted/needed something more portable. And so he bought (under my recommendation and his want for complete touch control) the SCS3 system and Traktor.

It's neat. It takes some time to get familiar with. It's not like hopping on tables or CDJ's and being used to the layout completely. Messing around with the mixer is different, but not in a bad way.

Honestly, it's fun. It's VERY portable which is also great.

If you have interest in the touch capabilities, it's great. The only issue being is mapping to a certain extent, but people come out with mappings fairly often for all controllers, or you can buckle down and do it yourself.

If you are wanting an extremely neat portable setup (and hot damn does it look cool to boot) then I'd say go for it. If you want something more professional? Then go for that. The different parts can also work great down the line for cue and FX controls, so you aren't losing anything if you decide to go full out DVS later as well.

[nem0nic]

Can someone tell me how to achieve this? I'm referring to the ability to only hold an effect while your finger is down on the SCS. Is it possible with the default traktor settings or do you need to use the generic settings, or change something in bome's? I've always wanted this feature, to be able to use mine like a Kaoss pad.

Sure. Map to the controller directly (no DaRouter). Use the MIDI spec to do the mapping manually in Traktor is going to be easier than trying to learn it, but it's possible either way.

The SCS.3d's "natural" MIDI output is what we called "super slider mode", where every slider area (anything that looks like it would generate a CC) sends a note on/off, a relative CC, and an absolute CC. So if you wanted to use the gain strip for effect on/off and dry/wet, you would map the following...

Effect on/off - 90 07 ** (and it would be a toggle)
Effect dry/wet - B0 07 ** (B0 08 ** is the relative message, but it's not necessary since this isn't a physical control and gets app feedback).

To drive your LED feedback, your dry/wet output message should be set to B0 07 ** (where ** is 28 to 2F for a peak meter pattern). Be sure to use blend.

[zestoi]

i read what u said before about it sending relative as well as absolute values but it didn't stick in my thick skull for some reason.... that is pretty awesome! (plus the note on/off is an added bonus ofc)

i do like the idea of the circular touch strip area as a virtual jog wheel but mostly i think it's going to make a fantastic effects control surface...

[zestoi]

finally had time to write some code for this controller and i have to say that it really is one amazing controller....

fantastic midi spec too. i'm not using the darouter so not sure what that pushes out - but the native midi implementation is ideal. using my own app i've mostly replicated how darouter sets it up for now, tho using the two top outer buttons as toggle modifiers and the bottom two as hold/shift ones - which gives me stacks of layers to play with when you include in the fx/eq/loop/trig/vinyl/deck buttons at the top.

i think i've setup the various modes of the central area to be the same as darouter atm, but is simple to change, i love being able to change how the central area operates (circle, buttons, faders) whenever i need to.

shame tho that by default in button mode you get 4 buttons on the left, 4 on the right and a fader in the middle, i'm changing that to work as a 3x4 bank of buttons which seems more useful. shame its not possible to squeeze a 4x4 out of it i guess tho.

had a look on ebay and people seem to be wanting silly money for these atm, but i only paid about 50 quid for mine which i think is a steal

i loooove the fact that any control acting like a fader sends out a relative message (ala an encoder) as well as absolute, not to mention a note on and note off too...

how come these things arent more popular?

i wouldnt mind an scs.3m, not to replace an actual mixer, but for fx or something but i havent seen one of those go for a reasonable price.

i suspect whatever controller(s) i end up using in a few years i'll still keep this scs.3d

edit: as well as the 3 modes they document you can also make the central area have 2 faders/sliders and one column of buttons:

-- buttons + faders 5+6
-- F0 00 01 60 01 01 f7
--
-- faders 4,5 + buttons
-- F0 00 01 60 01 02 f7

[zestoi]

just in case anyone is interested this is my lua code that does the darouter type stuff http://djism.com/lua/scs3d.lua

need to work on the led feedback for the sliders next and the scs.3d has some neat tricks for that...

[djproben]

What program are you mapping this controller for? Are you using bomes or something to get around darouter?